Best Ever Albums

Re: My Top 200

Tap — Wed, 9 May 2018 12:17:45 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 05/09/2018 16:17

you can listen to stuff from other countries

Re: My Top 200

bobbyb5 — Wed, 9 May 2018 10:10:15 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 05/09/2018 14:10

YoungPunk wrote:

Maybe you should care.

For example: How is it that the 'objective' greatest albums are all virtually entirely from North America and the United Kingdom? Are native Africans and Asians incapable of producing an album as good as the 200 you've listed?

You've put your list on a public forum, you should expect criticisms. You can dismiss it as nonconstructive and assert yourself with dictionary definitions, but if a criticism says you're missing many types of music, you can probably assume they think you would be better off including more types of music.

Santana is a great choice for some albums on the list. He is not anglo...[/quote]

I don't think there's any such thing as objective best, but it's obvious why there are so many albums from North America and the United Kingdom. People can only judge what they have heard. And it goes without saying that most people on the site are from North America or Europe. If people in China made a list of best albums it would probably be Asian albums that they are familiar with.

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Tue, 8 May 2018 19:21:29 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/08/2018 23:21

Although my dream girl would probably be an Iron Maiden fan...

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Tue, 8 May 2018 18:38:19 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/08/2018 22:38

Also I've noticed most BEAers are male, a more objective list would have female artists. I have quite a few on my charts if you want to look, though probably not enough.

Re: My Top 200

craola — Tue, 8 May 2018 16:34:30 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 05/08/2018 20:34

aricohen129 wrote:

Not to take anything away from albums produced elsewhere; I love myself some Youssou N'Dour just as much as the next guy who has been lucky enough to listen to his beautiful music. It's not necessarily about how GOOD the music is, per se. It just hasn't reached enough people to have as profound of an impact as albums produced in the US and UK.

Fei Xiang's A Voice on the Ocean has sold over 20,000,000 copies. The album was huuuuge in China (a country that makes up roughly 20% of the world's population), and I think it's hard to argue that the album didn't have an impact. I suspect that nearly every pop singer in China would acknowledge Fei Xiang as an influence on their music. Now, you won't have (m)any American or European artists dropping his name, but surely he gets some consideration for this list?

I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate the impact of non-Euro/American artists like Salif Keita, Youssou N'Dour, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Nadeem–Shravan, Daler Mehndi, Pedro Infante, Jacky Cheung, et al.

Re: My Top 200

CA Dreamin — Tue, 8 May 2018 15:20:28 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 05/08/2018 19:20

aricohen129 wrote:

It was meant to be an objective "GOAT" list, not my personal favorites.

Then why is the thread titled "My Top 200?" The word "my" makes it subjective. There is no such thing as an objective greatest albums list anyway.

By the way, what albums would be #s 167, 168, and 169?

Re: My Top 200

Tap — Tue, 8 May 2018 13:37:31 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 05/08/2018 17:37

aricohen129 wrote:

I'm happy to accept any criticism that is coming from a place of trying to improve my list and teach me something, not from a place of pretentiousness. I don't really appreciate being talked down to, and that's that.

I deeply apologize for my incredibly pretentious attack on your claim of this position of distinction. Who am I to think that you are not an honest evaluator of what has truly made an impact on culture? What gives me the right to question your authority? Why am I such a jerk that I would not give you advice on how to improve this, since it is absolutely not something you would completely disregard?

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Tue, 8 May 2018 11:55:01 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/08/2018 15:55

I don't know why the quote function isn't working, sorry I'm new..

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Tue, 8 May 2018 11:54:17 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/08/2018 15:54

Puncture Repair wrote:

Honestly, you can be as skeptical as you would like to be. I can't stop you. But I also couldn't really care less =D>

Re: My Top 200

aricohen129 — Tue, 8 May 2018 07:36:44 GMT

Author: aricohen129

Posted: 05/08/2018 11:36

Quote:

Art is subjective

Math/Science is Objective

Love that this was mentioned, because I love this discussion. Art is of course totally subjective, which is the only reason why someone like 6ix 9ine gets anyone to attend his shows and listen to his music. The fun part is trying to pretend like we can make it objective. If it were totally objective, what would be the fun in arguing? 😁

Re: My Top 200

aricohen129 — Tue, 8 May 2018 07:33:07 GMT

Author: aricohen129

Posted: 05/08/2018 11:33

Quote:

For example: How is it that the 'objective' greatest albums are all virtually entirely from North America and the United Kingdom? Are native Africans and Asians incapable of producing an album as good as the 200 you've listed?

You've put your list on a public forum, you should expect criticisms. You can dismiss it as nonconstructive and assert yourself with dictionary definitions, but if a criticism says you're missing many types of music, you can probably assume they think you would be better off including more types of music.

Ok, first and foremost, I'm happy to accept any criticism that is coming from a place of trying to improve my list and teach me something, not from a place of pretentiousness. I don't really appreciate being talked down to, and that's that.
The objective greatest albums come from NA and UK for the most part because these albums/locations are the ones that have had the most profound effect on universal popular culture, and are thus more likely to be influential than those produced elsewhere. Not to take anything away from albums produced elsewhere; I love myself some Youssou N'Dour just as much as the next guy who has been lucky enough to listen to his beautiful music. It's not necessarily about how GOOD the music is, per se. It just hasn't reached enough people to have as profound of an impact as albums produced in the US and UK.
Your respectful response and defense of the other dude is impressive and much appreciated. Good day to you, and thank you for your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.

Re: My Top 200

Anonymous — Tue, 8 May 2018 03:16:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/08/2018 07:16

aricohen129 wrote:

Quote:

I'm highly skeptical of anyone who claims to be representing the greatest albums while making this distinction, having so much overlap with favorites, and missing so many types of music from the greatest list.

Honestly, you can be as skeptical as you would like to be. I can't stop you. But I also couldn't really care less =D>

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Mon, 7 May 2018 18:00:10 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/07/2018 22:00

Lots of people can't understand but if you are into math or science like me you understand what objective really means. Also Arcade Fire's recent albums suck.

Re: My Top 200

YoungPunk — Mon, 7 May 2018 17:53:11 GMT

Author: YoungPunk

Posted: 05/07/2018 21:53

Art is subjective

Math/Science is Objective

Re: My Top 200

Tap — Mon, 7 May 2018 17:27:43 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 05/07/2018 21:27

my skills at getting words into the dictionary for the purpose of non-essential use in an insult are pretty great and deserve applause, but still, is the explanation for arcade fire's status really just that they have the most critical acclaim and are one of the most popular bands active today? even though those claims can most politely be described as highly dubious? is there really nothing you have to say about the music?

Re: My Top 200

Anonymous — Mon, 7 May 2018 17:14:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/07/2018 21:14

aricohen129 wrote:

Quote:

Honestly, you can be as skeptical as you would like to be. I can't stop you. But I also couldn't really care less =D>

don't get too much exhilarated, my friend. 😎
And please bear in mind that this site is itself a greatest albums objective list (because it's a list and it's from many charts), and moreover, in the overall chart, you can include or not the recognized charts from various magazines. So you can select only BEA users charts, only magazines charts, or both (the default overall chart). Interesting, isn't it ?

Re: My Top 200

aricohen129 — Mon, 7 May 2018 17:13:51 GMT

Author: aricohen129

Posted: 05/07/2018 21:13

Quote:

lol I was like "what kind of person applauds themself" but actually that completely makes sense here

Was applauding you for your skepticism and obviously unconstructive criticism. And I'm gonna clarify to avoid confusion on your part, this time I'm applauding your use of the nonexistent word "themself" since it takes a brave individual to make up a word while insulting someone �'�

Re: My Top 200

Tap — Mon, 7 May 2018 17:04:59 GMT

Author: Tap

Posted: 05/07/2018 21:04

lol I was like "what kind of person applauds themself" but actually that completely makes sense here

Re: My Top 200

aricohen129 — Mon, 7 May 2018 16:50:34 GMT

Author: aricohen129

Posted: 05/07/2018 20:50

Quote:

Honestly, you can be as skeptical as you would like to be. I can't stop you. But I also couldn't really care less �'�

Re: My Top 200

aricohen129 — Mon, 7 May 2018 16:48:43 GMT

Author: aricohen129

Posted: 05/07/2018 20:48

Quote:

also why on earth would Arcade Fire get the consideration mentioned above, that sounds insane and entirely unjustified

Arcade Fire is arguably the most critically acclaimed band of the 21st century, as well as being one of the most popular active bands in the world. I personally don't connect much with any of their albums besides Funeral, but that takes nothing away from their monumental impact on alt-rock in this century.