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Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 00:30:14 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/30/2018 04:30

Shit, I meant they moved it to 1940. 🤡

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 20:37:05 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/30/2018 00:37

PurpleHazel wrote:

The consensus these days is that 1940 is the year film noir started. The first film is usually considered Stranger on the Third Floor.

The third edition of the Film Noir Encyclopedia (came out in 1992) asserted that it started in 1927 with the film Underworld. The encyclopedia was so influential that IMDb has ruled that 1927 is the first year. The Fourth Edition moved the year it started to 1948.

They moved the date a full 20 years??? Seems like quite a jump.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:15:44 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/29/2018 23:15

bobbyb5 wrote:

I have a question. What is the date that is considered the beginning of film noir? Probably in the early forties, right?

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

AfterHours — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:14:56 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/29/2018 22:14

bobbyb5 wrote:

Yeah, I was thinking of some movies I remember that were made way back in the 30s that were kind of like film noir in the themes kind of. I was thinking of some of those 30s movies that Bette Davis was in like Marked Woman and stuff like that. They were like crime movies with bad and unhappy endings. I also thought of M.

Yep sounds like you were on the right track.

I came across this: http://www.filmsite.org/filmnoir.html

A much more detailed explanation than my abbreviated quick take.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:03:46 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/29/2018 18:03

AfterHours wrote:

"Officially", generally speaking, it was considered a reflection of the disillusionment surrounding WW 2 starting in the early 40s (so films such as Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, Laura are seminal examples) but prominent and influential earlier seeds for this were actually planted in the early 20s after World War 1, with the likes of Lang's 20s crime/expressionist films (thereafter including M and his 30s films) ... with gangster/crime films of the 30s (such as Hawks' Scarface) ... with the likes of Von Sternberg's decadent/seedy/expressionist works (30s, then the 40s, for instance: Blue Angel and Shanghai Gesture). The look, technique and structure of Citizen Kane was to be a major influence as well, especially as we advance to neo noir, the French New Wave, etc.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

AfterHours — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:36:45 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/29/2018 17:36

bobbyb5 wrote:

I have a question. What is the date that is considered the beginning of film noir? Probably in the early forties, right? I don't even know.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 12:40:27 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/29/2018 16:40

I have a question. What is the date that is considered the beginning of film noir? Probably in the early forties, right? I don't even know.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

RoundTheBend — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:14:47 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 07/25/2018 02:14

PurpleHazel wrote:

:D

Thanks! And thanks again for all the spreadsheet help!

There's a 90% chance I need spreadsheet tips to make this shit easier as well. Currently I just copy and paste then assign point values, then sort by name to find any duplicates (highlight duplicates sometimes doesn't work because votes often don't have the same format).

Also looking forward to final list.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

HokeMoseley — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 20:46:17 GMT

Author: HokeMoseley

Posted: 07/25/2018 00:46

PurpleHazel wrote:

HokeMoseley wrote:

For the most part tried to weight how much I like the film vs. how noir-ish I consider it...

1. Heat (1995)
2. Le Cercle Rouge (1970)
3. Thief (1981)
4. Taxi Driver (1976)
5. Homicide (1991)
6. Serie noire (1979)
7. Blue Velvet (1986)
8. The Big Lebowski (1998)
9. Carlito’s Way (1993)
10. Collateral (2004)
11. Femme Fatale (2002)
12. The Friends of Eddie Coyle (1973)
13. Straight Time (1978)
14. Le deuxième souffle (1966)
15. Night Moves (1975)
16. Blow Out (1981)
17. Classe tous risques (1960)
18. Out of Sight (1998)
19. High and Low (1963)
20. The Driver (1978)

Terrific list! (all of it -- just conserving space)

Thanks! Can't wait to see the results...

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:21:28 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/23/2018 23:21

😁

Thanks! And thanks again for all the spreadsheet help!

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

Hayden — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:22:55 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 07/23/2018 21:22

Let's see how this goes 😁

Best of luck PurpleHazel.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:15:42 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/23/2018 21:15

Started tallying, but since I haven't done this before, I'm not sure how long it'll take. Possibly I'll be done late tonight, but it might be closer to late Wednesday.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:57:01 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/23/2018 07:57

HokeMoseley wrote:

Terrific list! (all of it -- just conserving space)

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:35:36 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/23/2018 07:35

Updated my list on page 2 (I do realize I'm the one doing the tallying 😄 ).

New additions:

Le Deuxieme Souffle
Blow Out
Le Trou
The Outfit
The Silent Partner
Phoenix
Looper
Inherent Vice
The Nickel Ride

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

AfterHours — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:00:28 GMT

Author: AfterHours

Posted: 07/23/2018 07:00

Final submission:

1. Taxi Driver - Martin Scorsese (1976)
2. Chinatown - Roman Polanski (1974)
3. Blow Up - Michelangelo Antonioni (1966)
4. Lost Highway - David Lynch (1997)
5. Inland Empire - David Lynch (2006)
6. Pulp Fiction - Quentin Tarantino (1994)
7. Memento - Christopher Nolan (2001)
8. Psycho - Alfred Hitchcock (1960)
9. Old Boy - Chan-wook Park (2003)
10. Marnie - Alfred Hitchcock (1964)
11. Cache - Michael Haneke (2005)
12. The Trial - Orson Welles (1962)
13. Point Blank - John Boorman (1967)
14. Mulholland Drive - David Lynch (2001)
15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia - Sam Peckinpah (1974)
16. Blade Runner - Ridley Scott (1982) [The Final Cut, 117 minutes]
17. The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - Peter Greenaway (1989)
18. The Killer - John Woo (1989)
19. Blue Velvet - David Lynch (1986)
20. Face/Off - John Woo (1997)
21. LA Confidential - Curtis Hanson (1998)
22. Europa - Lars Von Trier (1991)
23. The Conversation - Francis Ford Coppola (1974)
24. Dirty Harry - Don Siegel (1971)
25. Reservoir Dogs - Quentin Tarantino (1992)
26. King of New York - Abel Ferrara (1990)
27. Dressed to Kill - Brian De Palma (1980)
28. Shock Corridor - Sam Fuller (1963)
29. Pi - Darren Aronofsky (1998)
30. Hard Boiled - John Woo (1992)
31. Bonnie & Clyde - Arthur Penn (1967)
32. Fargo - Joel Coen (1996)
33. After Hours - Martin Scorsese (1985)
34. Natural Born Killers - Oliver Stone (1994) [Director's Cut, 123 minutes]
35. Body Double - Brian De Palma (1984)
36. Wild at Heart - David Lynch (1990)
37. The Lives of Others - Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck (2007)
38. Batman Returns - Tim Burton (1992)
39. Badlands - Terrence Malick (1973)
40. Exotica - Atom Egoyan (1994)
41. Damnation - Bela Tarr (1989)
42. World on a Wire - Rainer Fassbinder (1973)
43. The Game - David Fincher (1998)
44. Shallow Grave - Danny Boyle (1994)
45. Something Wild - Jonathan Demme (1986)
46. Soylent Green - Richard Fleischer (1973)
47. Peeping Tom - Michael Powell (1960)
48. Silence of the Lambs - Jonathan Demme (1991)
49. Miller's Crossing - Joel Coen (1990)
50. Blow Out - Brian De Palma (1981)
51. The Conformist - Bernardo Bertolucci (1971)
52. Leon: The Professional - Luc Besson (1994)
53. The Big Lebowski - Joel & Ethan Coen (1998)
54. The Getaway - Sam Peckinpah (1972)
55. Breathless - Jean-Luc Godard (1960)
56. To Die For - Gus Van Sant (1995)
57. Videodrome - David Cronenberg (1983)
58. Barton Fink - Joel & Ethan Coen (1991)
59. Chungking Express - Wong Kar-wai (1994)
60. Drugstore Cowboy - Gus Van Sant (1989)
61. The Beat That My Heart Skipped - Jacques Audiard (2005)
62. The Usual Suspects - Bryan Singer (1995)
63. Fatal Attraction - Adrian Lyne (1987)
64. The Long Goodbye - Robert Altman (1973)
65. Minority Report - Steven Spielberg (2002)
66. Fight Club - David Fincher (1999)
67. The French Connection - William Freidkin (1971)
68. Pierrot le Fou - Jean-Luc Godard (1965)
69. Children of Men - Alfonso Cuaron (2006)
70. Le Samourai - Jean-Pierre Melville (1967)
71. Se7en - David Fincher (1995)
72. Heat - Michael Mann (1995)
73. Blood Simple - Joel & Ethan Coen (1984)
74. The Dark Knight - Christopher Nolan (2008)
75. Body Heat - Lawrence Kasdan (1981)
76. The Following - Christopher Nolan (1998)
77. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund (2002)
78. Dog Day Afternoon - Sidney Lumet (1975)
79. Brick - Rian Johnson (2005)
80. Frantic - Roman Polanski (1988)
81. Sonatine - Takeshi Kitano (1993)
82. Dead Again - Kenneth Branagh (1991)
83. Basic Instinct - Paul Verhoeven (1992)
84. The Departed - Martin Scorsese (2006)
85. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - Robert Zemeckis (1988)
86. Zodiac - David Fincher (2007)
87. Blade Runner 2049 - Denis Villeneuve (2017)
88. No Country for Old Men - Joel & Ethan Coen (2007)
89. Inside Man - Spike Lee (2006)
90. Madigan - Don Siegel (1968)
91. Dark City - Alex Proyas (1998)
92. The Dark Knight Rises - Christopher Nolan (2012)
93. Gone Baby Gone - Ben Affleck (2007)
94. Charley Varrick - Donald Siegel (1973)
95. Lethal Weapon - Richard Donner (1987)
96. Jackie Brown - Quentin Tarantino (1997)
97. Sin City - Frank Miller & Robert Rodriguez (2005)
98. Devil in a Blue Dress - Carl Franklin (1995)
99. Gattaca - Andrew Niccol (1997)
100. Collateral - Michael Mann (2004)

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Mon, 23 Jul 2018 00:12:00 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/23/2018 04:12

PurpleHazel wrote:

I rewatched Dressed to Kill last night and it made me think, you know, Blow Out's more noir than I thought (in relation to Dressed to Kill)! 😁

De Palma wrote and directed, so presumably it was him. It's an cynical, coldblooded touch, but the circumstances of that scream are what cinches the movie as noir. Probably De Palma's best film IMO, though it has some rivals.

I couldn't remember if he wrote it or co-wrote it with someone else or what.
Yeah, I think it's probably his best one too, although there's a lot of others I like just as much.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

PurpleHazel — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:38:04 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 07/23/2018 03:38

StreetSpirit wrote:

Blow Out is totally a Neo-Noir in my book. I simply forgot about it when I did my list and badseed reminded me of it.

I rewatched Dressed to Kill last night and it made me think, you know, Blow Out's more noir than I thought (in relation to Dressed to Kill)! 😁

bobbyb5 wrote:

Yeah, the thing with the scream is one of the most awesome touches that anyone ever put at the end of a movie. Whoever thought of that was really really smart.

De Palma wrote and directed, so presumably it was him. It's an cynical, coldblooded touch, but the circumstances of that scream are what cinches the movie as noir. Probably De Palma's best film IMO, though it has some rivals.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:38:16 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/23/2018 02:38

StreetSpirit wrote:

Blow Out is totally a Neo-Noir in my book. I simply forgot about it when I did my list and badseed reminded me of it.

John Travolta wrote:

That scream is terrible.

Yeah, the thing with the scream is one of the most awesome touches that anyone ever put at the end of a movie. Whoever thought of that was really really smart.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

CA Dreamin — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:59:05 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 07/23/2018 01:59

PurpleHazel wrote:

I'm going to add Blow-Out to mine too!

bobbyb5 wrote:

I'm glad people are adding Blow Out. I put it at #4 after having it down much lower at first. I thought maybe people thought it wasn't noirish enough, but finally I just ordered my list according to how much I like the movie instead of considering other factors like if it's noirish enough.

Blow Out is totally a Neo-Noir in my book. I simply forgot about it when I did my list and badseed reminded me of it.

John Travolta wrote:

That scream is terrible.

Re: Best Ever Neo-Noir Films/Modern Film Noir [Poll]

bobbyb5 — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:46:35 GMT

Author: bobbyb5

Posted: 07/23/2018 01:46

PurpleHazel wrote:

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Fast-paced, energetic. I rewatched The Driver too (also directed by Walter Hill) and am going to move that up my list a lot.

Thanks for letting me know. I'm going to add Blow-Out to mine too!