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Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

albummaster — Mon, 12 Nov 2018 12:21:17 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 11/12/2018 17:21

that would save a lot of headaches but probably wouldn't be too popular 😉

EDIT: Previous debate here for reference (interesting reading back through).

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

CA Dreamin — Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:29:19 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 11/12/2018 15:29

I say we get rid of album ratings altogether.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

albummaster — Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:24:12 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 11/12/2018 12:24

Just been investigating stopping ratings on future releases, but there's a couple of little obstacles stopping me doing this as easily as it first seemed e.g. new album added but no release date to check against - a lot of albums can hang around a few weeks before being fully updated (other albums may have no release date because one cannot be legitimately found and these are already flagged); album added with wrong release date which is then updated to a future release (but contains existing ratings). might be easier to add a system to flag ratings on future relleases...

baystateoftheart wrote:

Yeah a built-in reporting system for ratings sounds like a good idea. Should it just apply to releases people can't possibly have heard, or also to scenarios when people rate every album in a discography a 5 or 10 (despite obviously not hearing them all)?

Definitely accept there is an issue here, but opening a bit of a flood gate. it's difficult/impossible to prove somebody has listened to an album/track or not and this site operates under a lot of time constraints and don't think it will be possible to keep up and investigate every single report so difficult to referee this given the possible volume (and the friction it might cause).

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

Repo — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:46:19 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 11/11/2018 01:46

craola wrote:

i say we just ignore it. some people really do rate albums they haven't listened to, future release or not. not much we can do to curb that, and what's to stop them from waiting til it's released to do the same thing?

Completely agree! Just a small nuisance if anything. Not worth devoting finite resources too!

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

Hayden — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:41:03 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 11/11/2018 01:41

I'm all for albums being added before their release dates (listen lists/queues/promo/general knowledge), I think it makes sense on a database-type site,

however, I'm all for an album's ratings being locked until the official release date (think IMDb, which, is unquestionably uglier with this issues than BEA).

90 days pre-release addition is sufficient, but if there's any way users wouldn't be allowed to vote until (whatever, 12:00am GMT on the release date), that could stop some spam/hate.

And leaks are... not as popular as they used to be. I'm finding it pretty rare for anything to leak more than 3-4 days in advance anymore. In the age of streaming, followed by a physical release 3-4 weeks down the road, that aspect's fading a little.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

RoundTheBend — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:33:56 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 11/11/2018 01:33

Yeah - I agree with the strength in numbers aspect. Those are likely outliers.

Having said that, I agree that no ratings before an album is officially released is an ok way to go. And furthermore the not adding the album until date of release is not a bad idea either.

As for those wanting to rate based on a leak... in my opinion, they can wait.

But alas, as previously stated it likely really doesn't matter that much.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

baystateoftheart — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:22:46 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/10/2018 20:22

craola wrote:

It's definitely not a huge issue on this website because charts form the backbone of our system instead of ratings. Just annoying.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

craola — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:16:55 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 11/10/2018 20:16

i say we just ignore it. some people really do rate albums they haven't listened to, future release or not. not much we can do to curb that, and what's to stop them from waiting til it's released to do the same thing?

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

baystateoftheart — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 14:41:10 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/10/2018 19:41

The two ratings I mentioned have been removed (thanks AM), but there's already a new one for Yandhi 🙄

Yeah a built-in reporting system for ratings sounds like a good idea. Should it just apply to releases people can't possibly have heard, or also to scenarios when people rate every album in a discography a 5 or 10 (despite obviously not hearing them all)?

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

albummaster — Sat, 10 Nov 2018 03:31:56 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 11/10/2018 08:31

BEA lists albums up to 90 days prior to the expected release date providing that there is an announced track list (to prove an album is over a certain length). There's a broad range of views on new releases here, but my own view is that there's quite a lot of utility in displaying forthcoming releases and BEA certainly isn't doing enough with them right now.

Many (but not all) releases are leaked before they are released and so users want the ability to be able to rate and comment on these as it provides other users with useful feedback. The issue here is that people are sometimes rating releases before they are leaked (something that I hadn't really envisaged) and I'm trying to think of a workaround that doesn't stop people leaving legitimate ratings. We could blanket stop ratings on all future releases but then lose that feedback which seems a heavy penalty to pay for the few users that are abusing the system.

Perhaps BEA should have a flag to indicate whether an album has been leaked or not, but I think that would be too difficult to maintain. I've just checked the album in question and there's a couple of ratings there and I think possibly the right approach would just be to delete them and PM the users in question. If this happens again, there needs to be a mechanism to report these type of ratings, and this is something that needs to be added to the site (in a similar way to reporting bad comments).

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

Romanelli — Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:51:37 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 11/09/2018 23:51

My vote would be, and always has been, to not allow albums on BEA that have not yet been released. That would solve your problem right there.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

baystateoftheart — Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:24:57 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/09/2018 23:24

craola wrote:

excommunicate them all!

🤣

To be clear, I'm not asking for users to be punished, just for this issue to be fixed somehow.

Re: Preventing Premature Ratings

craola — Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:22:11 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 11/09/2018 23:22

excommunicate them all!

Preventing Premature Ratings

baystateoftheart — Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:11:31 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 11/09/2018 23:11

Kanye West's Yandhi, which has yet to be released or even leaked, already has a 100/100 and a 10/100, apparently based only on users' feelings about the artist. Rating an album prematurely is banned on RYM and such ratings are often deleted by moderators. I know we don't have enough moderators as is, so seeking out and deleting these types of ratings might not be practical, but an alternate solution would be locking ratings before an album's release date. A drawback to that is people would lose the ability to rate an album based on something such as an NPR pre-release stream - do people think the tradeoff would be worth it?