Best Ever Albums

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:18:45 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/19/2019 19:18

Malkmus has a p... Ya know what I'm doing this

Middle America 11-6

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Tha1ChiefRocka — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:35:52 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 03/19/2019 01:35

I think she sounds like she just woke up from getting her wisdom teeth pulled. But maybe I just have corn in my ears.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Repo — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:45:35 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 03/18/2019 21:45

Pristine is the more interesting song actually.

I love Malkmus, but here it sounds like he's trying to write a mid-paced Pavement song circa Crooked Rain. The song fits in quite well on the excellent Sparkle Hard, but on its own it sounds like second-tier Pavement. It certainly is NOT a bad song though and just misses the heights of his former band.

Pristine on the other hand sounds a lot fresher and vibrant. She DOES sound like a teenage girl (or at least a young women.) And what the fuck is wrong with that?! She brings to indie rock on this song and Heat Wave what Claire Danes & My So Called Life brought to sitcom tv - a realistic and honest portrayal of a teenage girl's perspective which sounds pretty authentic.

I really like both tracks. I just really like what Snail Mail did with Pristine and Heat Wave last year. Just hoping she can conjure up a whole album's worth of this stuff.

Pristine.

Sparkle Hard is definitely the better album though!

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Tha1ChiefRocka — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:59:37 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 03/18/2019 19:59

Both songs are boring indie rock, but at least Malkmus has something interesting to say.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:35:31 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/18/2019 19:35

Not pristine. So messy at this sausage fest

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Skinny — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:44:52 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 03/18/2019 17:44

Let's not beat around the bush, Malkmus is winning because middle-aged men objectively make worthier music than teenage girls.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:14:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/18/2019 17:14

Definitely Snail Mail. Malkmus is always good or better, but that track is not grabbing me. Maybe a grower.
The Snail Mail track reminds of the 90s in a good way. I think it's one of the better indie pop tracks left in the tournament.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

mickilennial — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:16:14 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/17/2019 19:16

Skinny wrote:

This tournament has had the best discussions in tiiiiiiiime.

at least we're having discussions

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

dihansse — Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:11:50 GMT

Author: dihansse

Posted: 03/17/2019 19:11

I like them both very much but Middle America is a bit better (nothing to do with male or female)

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Hayden — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:05:15 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 03/17/2019 01:05

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

Um .. are you forgetting Poe's abstract take on Jay-z?

Christ, when was that? 🤣 I'd love to read it.

Quote:

generally when someone points out how snail mail is a "teenage girl" among other things is an easy tell.

And that's definitely not my stand...

I do think she has potential, and I'll probably listen to whatever she comes out with next, but Lush just felt like an odd thing to praise (mind you, it has nothing on Export by Rap which just got some bizarre out-of-nowhere praise from P4k). I feel she'll need a bit more early PJ Harvey-esque grit to really elevate her material, which I have a feeling she'll eventually do.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:01:11 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/17/2019 01:01

Skinny wrote:

This tournament has had the best discussions in tiiiiiiiime.

Um .. are you forgetting Poe's abstract take on Jay-z?

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 20:59:37 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/17/2019 00:59

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

Okay yes I do remember that post obv I'm not going to get in and re-ignite that dumpster fire, but no I agree there can always be sexism present at times when discussing female artists, I'm definitely not denying that, just as yes experience and where we happen to be at this point-and-time can influence how we view certain things. However, just because someone happens to prefer say CSH over Snail Mail automatically means it's a double standard, even with some mildly similar influences & sounds I see them as two different people with two different POVs as an artist. You can prefer one or the other, really dislike one or the other, and that doesn't automatically mean it's heavily biased. Just as you can prefer a 90s-influenced sound to the other, doesn't mean you're going to enjoy them all. (I don't get why Car Seat Headrest seems to be pushed as the main forebearer of that sound, if anything I find him equally 2000s influenced. Different strokes I guess).

And just to get it out of the way Obv me prefering Malkmus here can look to some as male bias, though I see it as me voting for a not-particulary-stirring-but-palatable-song over a not-particularly-stirring-but-palatable song simply cause I like the slightly more relaxed tone and feel it's just a bit more engaging & well-crafted. Hell maybe age does have something to do with it, regardless of gender.

Hey-zeus Christ I really need to get out more, dafuq is this. This is worse than the 1975.

Anyhoo this Car-Seat Headrest vs Snail Mail match is still underwh... Wait what

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

travelful — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:22:14 GMT

Author: travelful

Posted: 03/16/2019 23:22

this has to be the most boring match-up yet.... i guess snail mail..?

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

revolver94 — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:56:54 GMT

Author: revolver94

Posted: 03/16/2019 22:56

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

(I don't get why Car Seat Headrest seems to be pushed as the main forebearer of that sound, if anything I find him equally 2000s influenced. Different strokes I guess).

agreed // no pun intended 😉

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Skinny — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:56:10 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 03/16/2019 22:56

This tournament has had the best discussions in tiiiiiiiime.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:58:28 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/16/2019 21:58

Okay yes I do remember that post obv I'm not going to get in and re-ignite that dumpster fire, but no I agree there can always be sexism present at times when discussing female artists, I'm definitely not denying that, just as yes experience and where we happen to be at this point-and-time can influence how we view certain things. However, just because someone happens to prefer say CSH over Snail Mail automatically means it's a double standard, even with some mildly similar influences & sounds I see them as two different people with two different POVs as an artist. You can prefer one or the other, really dislike one or the other, and that doesn't automatically mean it's heavily biased. Just as you can prefer a 90s-influenced sound to the other, doesn't mean you're going to enjoy them all. (I don't get why Car Seat Headrest seems to be pushed as the main forebearer of that sound, if anything I find him equally 2000s influenced. Different strokes I guess).

And just to get it out of the way Obv me prefering Malkmus here can look to some as male bias, though I see it as me voting for a not-particulary-stirring-but-palatable-song over a not-particularly-stirring-but-palatable song simply cause I like the slightly more relaxed tone and feel it's just a bit more engaging & well-crafted. Hell maybe age does have something to do with it, regardless of gender.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

mickilennial — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:38:23 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/16/2019 21:38

CryingGameDahlin wrote:

Yeah people can like what they like. There are plenty of these 90's-nostalgia artists that are women (that yes my opinion can differ on cause their music is their own individual take), just like Car Seat Headrest is not the only main player of the current "revival". The best thing to do is just let their work speak for itself.

it is easier to tell when someone feels that way and when they are reinforcing patriarchal double standards. generally when someone points out how snail mail is a "teenage girl" among other things is an easy tell.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

cestuneblague — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:24:18 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 03/16/2019 21:24

Yeah people can like what they like. There are plenty of these 90's-nostalgia artists that are women (that yes my opinion can differ on cause their music is their own individual take), just like Car Seat Headrest is not the only main player of the current "revival". The best thing to do is just let their work speak for itself.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

Skinny — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:13:09 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 03/16/2019 21:13

Both CSH and SM are middling, but SM is more tolerable. The other SM gets my vote.

Re: CLOSED- 2018 BTT RD2- Middle America v Pristine

mickilennial — Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:08:30 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/16/2019 21:08

the same people who talk shit on snail mail think something like car seat headrest (which is in the same vein of nostalgia fetishization of how indie rock used to be) is genius. it's a patriarchal double standard.

disclaimer: yes, you are allowed to prefer CSH over SM, but i felt the need to point out the sexist connotations of the double standard of "uninspired rehash of old indie rock" which is not only unfair but unseemly