Best Ever Albums

Re: top 1000 material

PurpleHazel — Wed, 15 May 2019 06:39:48 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/15/2019 10:39

There's no Traffic!

Uncle Meat by The Mothers Of Invention

Twelve Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus by Spirit

Katy Lied by Steely Dan

Re: top 1000 material

baystateoftheart — Tue, 14 May 2019 20:07:49 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/15/2019 00:07

My top 100 has 65 within the top 1000 and 35 outside of it. 78 are in the top 2000, so I'll focus on the other 22 that aren't even close.

Blowout Comb by Digable Planets would seem to be a good candidate, a hair outside the top 2k on just 111 votes. And their other album Reachin' is also inside the top 3k on just 58 votes. I'm also convinced that Confusion by Fela would be very high in the charts as opposed to outside the top 6k if as many tried it as tried more established canon works. It only has 30 votes!

P.S. I'm at 89% from those big four Anglo countries, so my top 100 is more skewed than BEA's top 1000.

Re: top 1000 material

travelful — Tue, 14 May 2019 19:21:55 GMT

Author: travelful

Posted: 05/14/2019 23:21

These are some surprising absentees in my (severely outdated) overall chart that I certainly think wouldn't be considered out of place if they were inside the top 1000.

Nujabes - Modal Soul (honestly top 1000 still wouldn't do this justice, try top 500...at least)
Max Romeo & The Upsetters - War Ina Babylon
The Upsetters - Super Ape
Boards of Canada - The Campfire Headphase
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue
Bob Marley - Natty Dread
Chick Corea - Return To Forever
Run The Jewels - Run The Jewels 3 (wayyyy better than 2, not sure how RTJ2 is in the top 500, while RTJ3 is barely inside the top 2000)
anything by Earl Sweatshirt

Re: top 1000 material

Repo — Tue, 14 May 2019 18:59:10 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 05/14/2019 22:59

Tha1ChiefRocka wrote:

Just taking a quick look at ones that are close to getting into the top 1000, I found some good candidates.

Mr. Bungle- California 1008
Cafe Tacuba- Re 1030
Bad Brains- Bad Brains 1037
Boredoms- Vision Creation Newsun 1042
Dead Can Dance- Within The Realm of A Dying Sun 1075

Nice!!! I'm extremely psyched that those are so close. 😄 Especially Bad Brains & Mr. Bungle!

Re: top 1000 material

Repo — Tue, 14 May 2019 18:55:58 GMT

Author: Repo

Posted: 05/14/2019 22:55

Jasonconfused wrote:

Love It To Death by Alice Cooper

IMO one of the best garage rock albums.

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Re: top 1000 material

baystateoftheart — Tue, 14 May 2019 18:55:53 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/14/2019 22:55

Why does this have to be so personal?

Not sure how 63% is hypocrisy when the overall chart is 84% those four countries. And obviously an individual can’t use an overall chart of 100 albums to support all the albums they think should be in the top 1000.

Re: top 1000 material

Hayden — Tue, 14 May 2019 18:50:26 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/14/2019 22:50

Quote:

You do add a lot of albums from other countries to the db...and yet they don't seem to be on any charts, including your own. Your overall chart is over 60% from major English speaking countries (US, UK, CA, AU), so it surprises me a bit that you would be so negative about the content of the overall chart. You want people to care, and you want to boost those albums? I would think that, given the fact that you often add 20-40 albums from other countries to the site in a single day that your charts would reflect that taste a bit more than it does. You really want people to care more and improve the exposure of that music? I would think your charts would be loaded with those albums. That really is kind of the point of BEA, isn't it? That really is how we try to improve an album's chart positions...by having them on our charts and lifting their on site profiles.

Hayden wrote:

Fela Kuti
Max Roach
Mum
Sun Ra
Nina Simone
Ali Farka Touré
Pharcyde
Hank Mobley
The Books
Duke Ellington
Ennio Morricone

Arthur Russell's Another Thought not cracking our top 5,000 would be an added personal disappointment.

All the bolded above have an album on my overall list, not to mention multiple entries in lower charts 😕 I'd be happy to throw an Ellington or Morricone release in my top 100, and if I had a top 1,000, by all means, they'd have multiple entries. The question was what outside of our top 1,000 deserves to be in it, and that was my list. If the countries I mentioned are of personal issue, there's albums from India, Norway and Belgium in my top 100, and if I had a top 1,000 there would surely be more (I couldn't see there being any less than a dozen from Poland). I excluded Jamaica because it does have some entries in our top 1,000, but 3 albums is still paltry.

Quote:

I only count 15 jazz artists who're in the top 1000.

If you want to stick American, like PurpleHazel, I also agree we need more jazz in our top 1,000. I didn't mean to sound anti-American/western when I asked for BEA to spend some time seeking out non-rock albums. By all means, throw in some more hip-hop, blues, funk, soul, etc...

Re: top 1000 material

Romanelli — Tue, 14 May 2019 17:19:14 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 05/14/2019 21:19

Hayden wrote:

baystateoftheart wrote:

@Hayden Are you referring to that article critiquing BEA?

I am, and that should've been outed*. My bad.

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Quite simply...not enough people care to listen to all of this stuff...

Isn't the purpose of BEA that everyone gets their own opinion about what is best? That's the purpose of having your own charts. As for an "anything but rock binge"...I would never be in support of that. Simply because I will not be told what music to listen to or not listen to. Ever.

Quote:

No one is telling you what to listen to... I believe Hayden is hoping any genre but rock will increase in popularity.

Surprised you're against that Romanelli. Baystate got my point, I just want to see people enjoying a broader spectrum of genres. We have a (what? 80% rock?) top 1,000. Just because the artists I mentioned don't have a bigger PR team than say U2, Muse, Metallica or Iron Maiden, to snag people's attention, doesn't mean they haven't made records that are above or beyond par with material in our top 1,000. If people don't care enough, that doesn't mean you flatline prospects of trying to get people to care. Just because someone's a picky eater doesn't mean you have to stop trying to get them out of their comfort zone. I'm just listing some friendly recommendations.

If your issue is with the anything-but-rock binge, it's not anti-rock (nor am I anti-rock), it's just to put a few more records in people's ears.

Re: top 1000 material

Tha1ChiefRocka — Tue, 14 May 2019 16:44:43 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 05/14/2019 20:44

Just taking a quick look at ones that are close to getting into the top 1000, I found some good candidates.

Mr. Bungle- California 1008
Cafe Tacuba- Re 1030
Bad Brains- Bad Brains 1037
Boredoms- Vision Creation Newsun 1042
Dead Can Dance- Within The Realm of A Dying Sun 1075

Re: top 1000 material

Hayden — Tue, 14 May 2019 16:10:32 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/14/2019 20:10

baystateoftheart wrote:

@Hayden Are you referring to that article critiquing BEA?

I am, and that should've been outed*. My bad.

Quote:

No one is telling you what to listen to... I believe Hayden is hoping any genre but rock will increase in popularity.

Re: top 1000 material

Anonymous — Tue, 14 May 2019 15:33:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/14/2019 19:33

Jameth wrote:

Sings by Patty Waters (10293)
I think this should be in the top 1000 based solely on the strength of “Black Is The Color Of My True Love’s Hair”. The rest of the album being good is just a bonus.

Ooh, this is arty ! : )

Re: top 1000 material

Tha1ChiefRocka — Tue, 14 May 2019 13:59:46 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 05/14/2019 17:59

The closest artists on my chart are Tim Hecker, Manuel Gottsching, The KLF, and Oneohtrix Point Never, which I think would all have a chance to make the top 1000 with a few more listens from people.

Re: top 1000 material

baystateoftheart — Tue, 14 May 2019 13:39:21 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/14/2019 17:39

Romanelli wrote:

Hayden wrote:

I have a handful of issues with our top 1,000... especially the bottom rock-filled half of benign whatever... but it's kinda unacceptable that our top 1000 has nothing from:

Fela Kuti (????)
Max Roach
Mum
Sun Ra
Nina Simone (???????... albeit barely)
Ali Farka Touré
Pharcyde
Hank Mobley
The Books
Duke Ellington
Ennio Morricone
And anything from Norway, Spain, Belgium, Italy, Poland (not even top 2,000????), Russia (4,000????), or India (which has a mere single album in our top 10,000....)

Arthur Russell's Another Thought not cracking our top 5,000 would be an added personal disappointment. It could be in our top 500 with ease.

I'd love BEA to go on an anything-but-rock binge for a while. Not only do we need it, we got publicly ousted for it once :lol:

Quite simply...not enough people care to listen to all of this stuff...especially given that even if they do find themselves discovering music here that much of it isn't even on a single chart.

Isn't the purpose of BEA that everyone gets their own opinion about what is best? That's the purpose of having your own charts. As for an "anything but rock binge"...I would never be in support of that. Simply because I will not be told what music to listen to or not listen to. Ever.

No one is telling you what to listen to... I believe Hayden is hoping any genre but rock will increase in popularity.

@Hayden Are you referring to that article critiquing BEA? Ousted would imply some purge of users, and if that happened it was before my time.

Re: top 1000 material

DommeDamian — Tue, 14 May 2019 12:27:47 GMT

Author: DommeDamian

Posted: 05/14/2019 16:27

Yann wrote:

Going over your top 100 for example, what albums outside BEA top 1000 (preferably largely outside) you think has the objective qualities to reach a wider consensus and be inside the top 1000 ?

Some examples:
Craig David - Born To Do It
Black Star - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead - Source Tags & Codes
U2 - Pop (way too overslept on)
2Pac - Me Against The World
Terence Trent D'Arby - Introducing The Hardline According To Terence Trent D'Arby

Re: top 1000 material

Romanelli — Tue, 14 May 2019 09:21:19 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 05/14/2019 13:21

Hayden wrote:

Re: top 1000 material

Jasonconfused — Tue, 14 May 2019 01:40:35 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 05/14/2019 05:40

Love It To Death by Alice Cooper

IMO one of the best garage rock albums.

Re: top 1000 material

PurpleHazel — Tue, 14 May 2019 01:27:39 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/14/2019 05:27

Hayden wrote:

it's kinda unacceptable that our top 1000 has nothing from:

Max Roach
Sun Ra
Nina Simone (???????... albeit barely)
Hank Mobley
Duke Ellington

I only count 15 jazz artists who're in the top 1000. Other absent jazz artists include:

Horace Silver
Charlie Parker
Weather Report and Wayne Shorter
Ben Webster
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Albert Ayler
Lee Morgan
Ella Fitzgerald
Sarah Vaughan
Count Basie
Wes Montgomery
acoustic Herbie Hancock
Bill Evans
Louis Armstrong
Freddie Hubbard

Re: top 1000 material

Hayden — Mon, 13 May 2019 23:29:45 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/14/2019 03:29

I have a handful of issues with our top 1,000... especially the bottom rock-filled half of benign whatever... but it's kinda unacceptable that our top 1000 has nothing from:

Fela Kuti (????)
Max Roach
Mum
Sun Ra
Nina Simone (???????... albeit barely)
Ali Farka Touré
Pharcyde
Hank Mobley
The Books
Duke Ellington
Ennio Morricone
And anything from Norway, Spain, Belgium, Italy, Poland (not even top 2,000????), Russia (4,000????), or India (which has a mere single album in our top 10,000....)

Arthur Russell's Another Thought not cracking our top 5,000 would be an added personal disappointment. It could be in our top 500 with ease.

I'd love BEA to go on an anything-but-rock binge for a while. Not only do we need it, we got publicly outed for it once 🤣

Re: top 1000 material

baystateoftheart — Mon, 13 May 2019 22:53:43 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/14/2019 02:53

Yann wrote:

Going over your top 100 for example, what albums outside BEA top 1000 (preferably largely outside) you think has the objective qualities to reach a wider consensus and be inside the top 1000 ?

Here's my selection (all American, I realize!) with current rank :

H2O by Daryl Hall & John Oates (4 206)

Can't Slow Down by Lionel Richie (4 053)

Christopher Cross by Christopher Cross (6 431)

Frosting On The Beater by The Posies (3 617)

Give Me The Night by George Benson (12 598)

So this batch of mostly soft, cheesy 80s albums that time forgot is primed for a critical reassessment that rockets them to the top 1000? I won't hold my breath.

Here's one from your top 100 that is more likely than any from that list:

Promise by Sade

Re: top 1000 material

Jameth — Mon, 13 May 2019 22:44:04 GMT

Author: Jameth

Posted: 05/14/2019 02:44

What We Did On Our Holidays by Fairport Convention (3302)

This isn’t ranked super low, but it’s still disappointing how low this album is ranked given the quality of some of the tracks. “Fotheringay”, “Book Song”, “Eastern Rain”, and “She Moves Through The Fair” are all masterpieces.

Drums Of Passion by Olatunji (8933)

Drums Of Passion is a stunning work of art. Beautiful, energetic, uplifting, it has it all - unless you’re someone who only listens to sad music.

Sings by Patty Waters (10293)

I think this should be in the top 1000 based solely on the strength of “Black Is The Color Of My True Love’s Hair”. The rest of the album being good is just a bonus.