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Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Sat, 25 May 2019 20:19:48 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/26/2019 00:19

badseed wrote:

Purple - I was just being sarcastic with the "take my word for it" part.

It's all good.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Sat, 25 May 2019 02:43:54 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/25/2019 06:43

Purple - I was just being sarcastic with the "take my word for it" part. Didn't mean anything by it. Don't look deep into it.

Chief - your list was just fine, and I like the Henson-Oz pick. It's a quirky choice and like I said not something post-pubescent badseed is too familiar with but I loved their work as a kid and still greatly appreciate their contributions to family entertainment.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

Tha1ChiefRocka — Fri, 24 May 2019 20:12:02 GMT

Author: Tha1ChiefRocka

Posted: 05/25/2019 00:12

Haha, sorry for not having a response. I put the list together pretty haphazardly, but that final list is pretty decent.

I based my picks more on people that I think of together rather than any merit of the movies they made, which is why I put Henson and Oz.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Fri, 24 May 2019 01:07:01 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/24/2019 05:07

badseed wrote:

The Coens and Bergman were tied. Bergman needs more. Take my word for it.

If you're saying Bergman needs more than the Coens, I agree. Two of the three Coen teams were for only supporting actors. Since it was a 50-item list, I excluded teams with actors who only had supporting roles, though if I were making a longer list, I would have (and came close to doing it).

Do you mean "take my word for it" because you think I haven't seen enough Bergman -- I've seen 15 films -- or another reason?

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Thu, 23 May 2019 16:32:15 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/23/2019 20:32

PurpleHazel wrote:

Thanks for the "special feature!"

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Jim Henson and Frank Oz is such an oddball choice.

Word. Don't think either of them directed three movies the other was in, but combined it probably works out.

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Needs more Bergman TBH.

Bergman's the only director on there three times, right? Don't get greedy. 😉

I've seen a few Hammer films, hope to check out a few more for the poll.

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The Devil Rides Out is also one hell of a banger.

I want to see this, but it was never released on DVD in the U.S., correct?

Unless my research did me wrong (I havent seen any of these films since I was like 5) Henson did direct Oz in at least 3 features (or at least directed his voice over some puppets). Otherwise they would have been disqualified.

The Coens and Bergman were tied. Bergman needs more. Take my word for it.

I think you're right about Devil Rides Out. I caught it on TCM at least twice way back in the day. A region free Bluray/DVD player doesnt cost as much as they used to. I'd recommend getting one. Makes it a lot easier to see movies you generally wouldn't have another way to in the US.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Thu, 23 May 2019 05:05:10 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/23/2019 09:05

badseed wrote:

List updated to include 3 noteworthy films from each pair.

Thanks for the "special feature!"

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Jim Henson and Frank Oz is such an oddball choice.

Word. Don't think either of them directed three movies the other was in, but combined it probably works out.

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Needs more Bergman TBH.

Bergman's the only director on there three times, right? Don't get greedy. 😉

I've seen a few Hammer films, hope to check out a few more for the poll.

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The Devil Rides Out is also one hell of a banger.

I want to see this, but it was never released on DVD in the U.S., correct?

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Thu, 23 May 2019 04:52:05 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/23/2019 08:52

Think Tim Burton's somewhat overrated. His animation-art design background has only carried him so far -- the writing in his movies is subpar a majority of the time. That said, Ed Wood and The Nightmare Before Christmas are very good to excellent and a few others are worthwhile.

I used to to admire Johnny Depp, particularly how he used his stardom to work with the best directors -- you see that more often with stars nowadays. But I hated his winking, ironic performance in Public Enemies, which felt lazy and clashed with Michael Mann's sincere approach to the material. He hasn't even been in anything since I wanted to see.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Thu, 23 May 2019 01:54:57 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/23/2019 05:54

StreetSpirit wrote:

I just noticed something else surprising. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp barely making the list at #49. What's up with that? Granted they're both on a losing streak, but come on. They used to be awesome, and should be higher imo.

To be honest they are surprisingly low. This is coming from someone who didn't list them; they're just a popular duo in comparison to a good portion of the list. Honestly, they don't do much for me. I've always found both of them, both together and separate, very hit or miss. I find myself caring less and less about Burton with age, and I can't remember the last time Depp impressed me, so perhaps you're right and their "losing streak" has put a stink on their name that they don't deserve. But for me personally, there's like 3 Burton movies I have any desire to watch again ever honestly and only one of them has Depp (Ed Wood). But knowing me, my stance on that will change at some point and I'll be all about them.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Wed, 22 May 2019 19:34:45 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/22/2019 23:34

StreetSpirit wrote:

I just noticed something else surprising. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp barely making the list at #49. What's up with that?

The part I object to is that Burton-Helena Bonham Carter at #46 beat out Burton-Depp. That's basically saying Big Fish > Ed Wood-Edward Scissorhands (hmmm... wonder if Scissorhands was named after Ed Wood!).

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Lynne Ramsay and Sofia Coppola are others whose films are few and far between.

Didn't help Ramsay's output rate that she left Jane Got a Gun.

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Hey Nick Frost deserves credit. And so does Flynn and de Havilland. Anyway, Robin Hood is great. But also check out Captain Blood, Dodge City, and The Sea Hawk.

Flynn is a legit choice for the list. A lot of actor-director teams deserve credit and I'm not knocking de Havilland and Frost, but I just didn't see them making the list. Now if Michael Curtiz had directed The Heiress, that'd be a whole other story. 😁

I've seen Captain Blood, but not a third.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

CA Dreamin — Wed, 22 May 2019 18:14:34 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 05/22/2019 22:14

I just noticed something else surprising. Tim Burton and Johnny Depp barely making the list at #49. What's up with that? Granted they're both on a losing streak, but come on. They used to be awesome, and should be higher imo.

PurpleHazel wrote:

Since there are so far fewer female directors and it's generally harder for them to get films made, it's probably harder for them to make films close enough together and have the control to hire the casts they want. Katheryn Bigelow is a good example of the former -- she was a successful director in the early 90s and hot since The Hurt Locker, but she only directed two movies between Strange Days (1995) and Hurt Locker in 2008. Agnes Varga is one of the greatest female directors, but she made a lot of documentaries and went long periods without doing fiction films. One example I can think of is Kelly Reichardt-Michelle Williams (haven't seen Meek's Cutoff, so I couldn't vote for them). Like StreetSpirit said, things are changing and there will be more female director collaborations.

Good points. Lynne Ramsay and Sofia Coppola are others whose films are few and far between. I can't think of any female directors whose output is among the top, in terms of number/quality of films, and critical/popular recognition. I guess we're still waiting for that someone to claim it. Maybe Patty Jenkins in the next 5-10 years depending how things turn out? However, 14 years passed between Monster and Wonder Woman so who knows. But again I think we'll get there soon. Personally I would like it if Ramsay released films more than once every 5 years.

PurpleHazel wrote:

Well, you had to have seen three films by them (I don't think I have, though I've seen Robin Hood twice 😄 ) and you have to be a fairly big fan of Errol Flynn adventure movies. Wasn't much chance of anyone else voting for de Havilland (sorry, Olivia, wherever you are), just as there wasn't for Nick Frost 🙁 :).

Hey Nick Frost deserves credit. And so does Flynn and de Havilland. Anyway, Robin Hood is great. But also check out Captain Blood, Dodge City, and The Sea Hawk.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Wed, 22 May 2019 03:23:36 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/22/2019 07:23

List updated to include 3 noteworthy films from each pair.

Some more thoughts...

Jim Henson and Frank Oz is such an oddball choice.

I'd swap Buscemi and Goodman around on the Coen hierarchy.

Needs more Bergman TBH.

You guys should really check out some Hammer horror films for the horror poll. For those not familiar, Hammer is/was a British studio that is most known for re-envisioning many of the classic horror tales in the 50s through the 70s, most of which were previously shot by Universal in the 30s. I had Terence Fisher with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing high on my list but I'm gonna safely assume not everyone has seen much there. You (almost) can't go wrong with any of their Dracula or Frankenstein films. The Devil Rides Out is also one hell of a banger.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

PurpleHazel — Wed, 22 May 2019 02:26:09 GMT

Author: PurpleHazel

Posted: 05/22/2019 06:26

Good list! Thanks badseed for all the work. This was a great concept for a poll and a stimulating one. In effect, each 50-team list is like voting for at least 150 films.

Guess Shaun of the Dead's popularity cannot be underestimated.

Hayden wrote:

Interesting that there's no female directors... I know there's less female directors, but now that I realize it, are there any directing/acting duos with female directors at all?

This poll made me more aware that many directors like working with the same stars or stock companies of supporting actors, while many others, for whatever reason, choose to or are obligated to work with different casts almost every time out. Kubrick's an example of someone who didn't work with the same actors again much -- the fact that he usually went a long time between films and had his pick of the biggest stars most of his career chiefly explains it.

Since there are so far fewer female directors and it's generally harder for them to get films made, it's probably harder for them to make films close enough together and have the control to hire the casts they want. Katheryn Bigelow is a good example of the former -- she was a successful director in the early 90s and hot since The Hurt Locker, but she only directed two movies between Strange Days (1995) and Hurt Locker in 2008. Agnes Varga is one of the greatest female directors, but she made a lot of documentaries and went long periods without doing fiction films. One example I can think of is Kelly Reichardt-Michelle Williams (haven't seen Meek's Cutoff, so I couldn't vote for them). Like StreetSpirit said, things are changing and there will be more female director collaborations.

StreetSpirit wrote:

No Michael Curtiz with either Errol Flynn or Olivia de Havilland. How did that happen? Somewhere out there, 102-year-old de Havilland is disappointed.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Tue, 21 May 2019 22:34:04 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/22/2019 02:34

StreetSpirit wrote:

Wait I thought of three others feeling excluded. No Michael Curtiz with either Errol Flynn or Olivia de Havilland. How did that happen? Somewhere out there, 102-year-old de Havilland is disappointed.

I don't have the other phone with the full list of points to check this fact at the moment but I think you were the only one to vote for either.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

CA Dreamin — Tue, 21 May 2019 21:23:02 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 05/22/2019 01:23

Wait I thought of three others feeling excluded. No Michael Curtiz with either Errol Flynn or Olivia de Havilland. How did that happen? Somewhere out there, 102-year-old de Havilland is disappointed.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Tue, 21 May 2019 21:18:35 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/22/2019 01:18

StreetSpirit wrote:

There are very few female directors on the Wikipedia page. We can't fault ourselves for being exclusive when there were so few to begin with. But it's okay. There are more opportunities for female directors nowadays and I think we'll get a great female director-actor combo before long. But you know who is feeling excluded? Nick Frost :lol:

Yeah, sorry. Nobody else seems to like Frost. Even with the allowance of them as a pair you were the only one who did it.

I can't think of any female directors off the top of my head with multiple collaborations. Then again outside of maybe 3 or 4 women I don't think I've seen enough films by any female directors to qualify even if they did have regular stars.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

CA Dreamin — Tue, 21 May 2019 21:12:14 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 05/22/2019 01:12

Hayden wrote:

Interesting that there's no female directors... I know there's less female directors, but now that I realize it, are there any directing/acting duos with female directors at all? :-k

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

Hayden — Tue, 21 May 2019 19:45:56 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/21/2019 23:45

badseed wrote:

16 hours and no comments yet. Gee thanks guys :(

🤣

It's a fair list. Don't think there's any oddities anywhere. Don't blame our #1 to be a runaway for a second.

Interesting that there's no female directors... I know there's less female directors, but now that I realize it, are there any directing/acting duos with female directors at all? 🤔

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Tue, 21 May 2019 18:40:53 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/21/2019 22:40

16 hours and no comments yet. Gee thanks guys 🙁

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Tue, 21 May 2019 02:38:50 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/21/2019 06:38

Okay, now some personal thoughts...

Godard & Karina is our perennial surprise this go-round. Just looking at the names in the ten or so spots behind them has me shocked they made the top 10. But in a good way of course.

On paper Wright and Pegg should be more my cup of tea than anyone, and I love them, but I'm baffled they made the upper half. So most of you guys will take Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz and The World's End over Fruitvale Station, Creed and Black Panther (at least Coogler & Jordan squeezed in - and I'm not saying they should be top 25 either)? Okay. I though Scott Pilgrim vs The World was the EW movie everyone here gets excited about (as do I).

... Honestly that's all I've got. This list looks pretty great all around.

Re: Best Ever Director-Actor Teams [LIST]

badseed — Tue, 21 May 2019 02:18:34 GMT

Author: badseed

Posted: 05/21/2019 06:18

For those curious how close it was, here is my worksheet for the top 50. The first number is the total amount of points earned, and the second number is the amount of lists they appeared on. Forgive misspellings; this was just quickly copied over from my other phone (yes, I used two phones to do this whole thing - while I read the lists off one phone I typed them into another, then typed them back into the other one after adding all the points, just to grab the other one again and copy it in a reader-friendly manner here).

McQueen-Fassbinder 46 3
Burton-Depp 47 2
Woo-Yunfat 48 2
Nichols-Shannon 48 3
Burton-Carter 50 2
Capra-Arthur 50 2
Coen-Goodman 52 2
Coogler-Jordan 54 3
Henson-Oz 58 2
Ozu-Hara 59 3

Fincher-Pitt 62 3
Mann-Stewart 65 2
Coen Buscemi 65 4
Carpenter-Russell 66 3
Cukor-Hepburn 69 2
Lean-Guinness 69 4
Kazan-Brando 70 3
Brooks-Wilder 73 4
Bergman-VonSydow 78 2
Ozu-Ryu 79 2

Fellini-Masina 83 4
Herzog-Kinski 85 3
Hawks-Grant 86 3
Fassbinder-Schygulla 95 3
Antonioni-Vitti 103 3
Tarkovsky-Solonitsyn 105 4
Allen-Farrow 106 4
Wright-Pegg 106 4
Capra-Stewart 111 4
Bergman-Ullman 112 3

Truffaut-Léaud 114 4
Anderson-Murray 119 5
Spielberg-Hanks 125 4
Linklater-Hawke 125 5
Bergman-Andersson 127 4
Cassavetes-Rowlands 135 4
Sternberg-Dietrich 139 3
Tarantino-Jackson 142 6
Huston-Bogart 144 6
Allen-Keaton 148 4

Scorsese-DiCaprio 152 4
Goddard-Karina 152 5
Anderson-Hoffman 154 6
Coen-McDormand 162 5
Hitchcock-Grant 160 4
Ford-Wayne 170 5
Hitchcock-Stewart 200 7
Wilder-Lemmon 223 6
Kurosawa-Mifune 232 6
Scorsese-DeNiro 271 6