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Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Fischman — Sun, 7 Jul 2019 15:01:23 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 07/07/2019 19:01

Romanelli wrote:

These guys...

Snow by Spock's Beard

Hear, Hear!

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Romanelli — Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:24:38 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 07/07/2019 17:24

These guys...

Snow by Spock's Beard

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

StefanR10 — Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:18:59 GMT

Author: StefanR10

Posted: 07/07/2019 17:18

I would agree with the author. But a other good progressive band is Rush.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Fischman — Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:28:21 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 07/03/2019 18:28

craola wrote:

radiohead? things i'd call them before i'd call them a prog band: alternative, pop, britpop, idm, avant garde, punk, post-punk, dream pop, ambient, jazz, grunge, art rock, rock, classical, blues, r&b, hip-hop, folk, country, fusion, hair metal....

seriously though, this isn't the first time i've seen someone online call radiohead prog. am i missing something? paranoid android is the only song of their's that gets "proggy", and i don't even think that's prog.

The exact boundaries of what is or isn't prog are different for everyone, even those who are the most knowlegeable prog heads in the world will disagree on a lot of cases.

The ProgArchives site is an excellent place to get insight from folks who really, really know prog. I mean, those guys are hyperobsessive about prog and know even the most intimate technical details of even the most obscure pieces of anything that could even be considered by anybody to be prog. They have subdivided prog into dozens of sub-sub-genres and their knowledge of what should/shouldn't fit into any of them is astounding.

Whenever something has certain key but limited elements of prog (and there are many.... not all elements associated with prog need be present for something to be considered prog), they throw it into one of two sort of "other" buckets labeled simply as "prog-related" or "crossover prog." Radiohead is listed in the latter, which makes sense as it they are a crossover from any or all of the other subgenres you listed, and have incorporated elements of prog, especially experimentalism, into their sound.

Full on prog? Nah. But prog-ish in a way? Sure.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

craola — Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:39:00 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 07/03/2019 16:39

Johnnyo wrote:

Amongst those on the list to add includes; Radiohead (is that going too far)

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:15:26 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 07/03/2019 16:15

jhuik wrote:

Don't miss Porcupine Tree. I see no mention of them in this thread so far. It's the only prog for me.

Definately on the list. One of my favourite band of all time.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:14:37 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 07/03/2019 16:14

Gowi wrote:

The Family fits in those early prog trappings. If contemporaries like The Moody Blues and The Nice are prog then they are too.

Fair point gowi. Forgot about moody blues. Thanks for taking the time to respond

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

jhuik — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:25:19 GMT

Author: jhuik

Posted: 06/21/2019 13:25

Don't miss Porcupine Tree. I see no mention of them in this thread so far. It's the only prog for me.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

mickilennial — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 15:33:29 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 06/20/2019 19:33

Supertramp started out as this art rock/prog thing and eventually threw it all away to play arena rock instead.

The Family fits in those early prog trappings. If contemporaries like The Moody Blues and The Nice are prog then they are too.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:48:22 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 06/20/2019 06:48

gussteivi wrote:

I don't consider Family a prog band and thus did not include them in my prog charts (whereas I did with Supertramp). Maybe it's just because their name usually doesn't get thrown around in that context (whereas Supertramp does), but it just doesn't feel right. If you were to include them you would get no objections for me, since you've paired those two bands together I really can't think of a good reason why one should be considered more prog than the other. It's really a hard genre to define, I mean Radiohead is in Prog Archives. These bands are in the rather murky "Crossover Prog" section.

Also Supertamp>Zappa, Robert Wyatt, Mike Oldfield

Really helpful. Thanks gussteivi

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:45:14 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 06/20/2019 06:45

BARDAMU wrote:

Link

Robert Wyatt. Of course. Totally slipped my mind

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:44:35 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 06/20/2019 06:44

Graeme2 wrote:

Prog by Graeme2
Here's some prog that I like.

Thanks Man. That's really helpful. Given me some more bands to add

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:42:26 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 06/20/2019 06:42

LedZep wrote:

I think for the chart you should take the loosest definition of prog, and just include everything you like and consider prog, even if that means Pink Floyd, Muse and ELO end up there.

That's pretty much what I've decided to do LedZep. Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Johnnyo — Thu, 20 Jun 2019 02:40:28 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 06/20/2019 06:40

Fischman wrote:

The bounds of what is and what isn't prog have never been firm or universally agreed upon. Even among the most knowledgeable prog fanatics there is often heated debate about what does or does not qualify as a prog band.

I think that this has been my main problem. Where are the boundaries so I've decided to blur them. Added so far; Supertramp, Yes, King Crimson, Soft machine & Asia. All pretty safe bets I'd say

Amongst those on the list to add includes; Radiohead (is that going too far), Muse, ELP (safe as houses), Pink Floyd (obviously) and Caravan (another safe better I'd suggest)

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

BARDAMU — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:35:04 GMT

Author: BARDAMU

Posted: 06/18/2019 00:35

gussteivi wrote:

Also Supertamp>Zappa, Robert Wyatt, Mike Oldfield

Link

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

BARDAMU — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:32:42 GMT

Author: BARDAMU

Posted: 06/18/2019 00:32

baystateoftheart wrote:

BARDAMU wrote:

I think Supertramp (their early work, anyway) is undoubtably "progressive," but in much the same way that Avril Lavigne is "punk." It's "true," but in the most vacuous sense of the word. If anyone were to tell me that Supertramp was one of their favourite prog bands, I think I'd just figure that person was very dull -- I mean, in a genre characterized by Zappa, Robert Wyatt, King Crimson, Tubular Bells, you wanna include... Supertramp in the conversation? For real?

I frankly prefer Supertramp as the goofy guilty-pleasure pop band of Breakfast in America.

Pretty harsh to consider someone very dull based on their band preferences.

*I'd consider their taste in music to be pretty dull.

But them too, sure.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

gussteivi — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:02:31 GMT

Author: gussteivi

Posted: 06/17/2019 23:02

I don't consider Family a prog band and thus did not include them in my prog charts (whereas I did with Supertramp). Maybe it's just because their name usually doesn't get thrown around in that context (whereas Supertramp does), but it just doesn't feel right. If you were to include them you would get no objections for me, since you've paired those two bands together I really can't think of a good reason why one should be considered more prog than the other. It's really a hard genre to define, I mean Radiohead is in Prog Archives. These bands are in the rather murky "Crossover Prog" section.

Also Supertamp>Zappa, Robert Wyatt, Mike Oldfield

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

baystateoftheart — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:05:03 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 06/17/2019 20:05

BARDAMU wrote:

Pretty harsh to consider someone very dull based on their band preferences.

Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

Romanelli — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:29:03 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 06/17/2019 18:29

The second ELO album as well...

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Re: Is this a progressive rock band?

BARDAMU — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:59:58 GMT

Author: BARDAMU

Posted: 06/17/2019 16:59

I think Supertramp (their early work, anyway) is undoubtably "progressive," but in much the same way that Avril Lavigne is "punk." It's "true," but in the most vacuous sense of the word. If anyone were to tell me that Supertramp was one of their favourite prog bands, I think I'd just figure that person was very dull -- I mean, in a genre characterized by Zappa, Robert Wyatt, King Crimson, Tubular Bells, you wanna include... Supertramp in the conversation? For real?

I frankly prefer Supertramp as the goofy guilty-pleasure pop band of Breakfast in America.