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Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

RoundTheBend — Mon, 18 May 2020 22:09:13 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 05/19/2020 02:09

baystateoftheart wrote:

RoundTheBend wrote:

baystateoftheart wrote:

Not a big Genesis fan, but they're far from the most mediocre entry in the BEA top 40.

I'd expect Björk (#41) to become the first female solo artist within the top 40 later this year. Long overdue. If I remember correctly the artist ranking was even more unbalanced before the algorithm change.

Yeah that's crazy. Not wanting to derail, but curious as to which artists need to be booted?

A part of me seconds Jimmy's comment about lyricists, but then again I think why I chose my choices were for how their lyrics apply musically... meaning how they flow/cut musically. Probably the best lyricists aren't the best songwriters. Sorry splitting hairs. 80-99% agree.

Well, if I made a list of 40 artists I'd guess around half would be replaced. To me the most egregious is Arctic Monkeys at #32.

ugh... yeah I hear you. (Quick... I need to update my 2000s chart and get them off... gotta find something over an 80 song for song on an album that I like to replace them on my 66 spot... hehe. But no, they aren't great by any means. Half British clever and clever energetic pop, sure it ain't too bad...

But better than Aretha Franklin, good lord, no, half those artists aren't.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Hayden — Mon, 18 May 2020 09:45:48 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/18/2020 13:45

Skinny wrote:

Surely this is everybody who has put nominations forward? Like, nobody's picked artists based on how their lyrics read from the page, right?

I did.

That was actually a pretty important part of why I made my choices.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Anonymous — Mon, 18 May 2020 09:19:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/18/2020 13:19

Also, yeah BEA artist rankings are total bullshit 😁

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Anonymous — Mon, 18 May 2020 09:18:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/18/2020 13:18

Tempting to cheekily go with Bjork and Nick Drake (41 and 42 ranked artists)...

...but I actually want to nominate:

Kate Bush
Smokey Robinson

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

BozoTyrannus — Mon, 18 May 2020 08:53:37 GMT

Author: BozoTyrannus

Posted: 05/18/2020 12:53

The next two nominations will bring us to 32 and we can begin.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

BozoTyrannus — Mon, 18 May 2020 08:53:02 GMT

Author: BozoTyrannus

Posted: 05/18/2020 12:53

Skinny wrote:

RoundTheBend wrote:

A part of me seconds Jimmy's comment about lyricists, but then again I think why I chose my choices were for how their lyrics apply musically... meaning how they flow/cut musically. Probably the best lyricists aren't the best songwriters. Sorry splitting hairs. 80-99% agree.

Surely this is everybody who has put nominations forward? Like, nobody's picked artists based on how their lyrics read from the page, right?

This is precisely why I haven't changed it to "Best Lyricists". Sure that's a primary focus, but we're not analyzing poets. We're discussing songwriters.

In my mind the lyrics are the main part, but the way they carry off those lyrics musically is definitely a consideration.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Skinny — Mon, 18 May 2020 04:23:57 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 05/18/2020 08:23

RoundTheBend wrote:

baystateoftheart wrote:

Surely this is everybody who has put nominations forward? Like, nobody's picked artists based on how their lyrics read from the page, right?

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

baystateoftheart — Mon, 18 May 2020 01:16:06 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/18/2020 05:16

RoundTheBend wrote:

baystateoftheart wrote:

Well, if I made a list of 40 artists I'd guess around half would be replaced. To me the most egregious is Arctic Monkeys at #32.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Hayden — Sun, 17 May 2020 23:34:35 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/18/2020 03:34

baystateoftheart wrote:

Not a big Genesis fan, but they're far from the most mediocre entry in the BEA top 40.

Fair enough (and agreed), but it's a bizarrely high placement.

I expect they'll be out soon and replaced with Bjork or Nick Drake (who, somebody should nominate).

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

RoundTheBend — Sun, 17 May 2020 23:04:44 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 05/18/2020 03:04

baystateoftheart wrote:

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

baystateoftheart — Sun, 17 May 2020 18:28:38 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/17/2020 22:28

Hayden wrote:

Just wait until I tell you Genesis is.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

LedZep — Sun, 17 May 2020 08:16:34 GMT

Author: LedZep

Posted: 05/17/2020 12:16

Hayden wrote:

Just wait until I tell you Genesis is.

As a big fan of early Genesis (and even some 80s stuff), that’s ridiculous. Joni Mitchell should be top 20 easily.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

cestuneblague — Sun, 17 May 2020 05:13:53 GMT

Author: cestuneblague

Posted: 05/17/2020 09:13

Paul Westerberg

PJ Harvey

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Jimmy Dread — Sun, 17 May 2020 03:06:13 GMT

Author: Jimmy Dread

Posted: 05/17/2020 07:06

In which case shouldn’t this thread be renamed ‘best lyricists’ rather than songwriters to avoid confusion?

Have changed my original choices as doubt songs sung in Portuguese resonate with many on a lyrical level...

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

RoundTheBend — Sun, 17 May 2020 00:11:29 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 05/17/2020 04:11

Oh sorry, missed that bit then...

I'll do:

John Lennon (Post-Beatles) and Paul Simon.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

NJ — Sat, 16 May 2020 20:27:52 GMT

Author: NJ

Posted: 05/17/2020 00:27

My first thought was Toledo, but he's taken, so:

James Murphy

Nas

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Purplepash — Sat, 16 May 2020 20:27:03 GMT

Author: Purplepash

Posted: 05/17/2020 00:27

BozoTyrannus wrote:

Yeah, we'll stick with this being lyricists only.

Sorry, no artists in the top 40.

Purplepash wrote:

Morrissey
(If Morrissey is disallowed due to The Smiths in the top 40 then replace him with Mark Oliver Everitt)

Again, I'd be willing to allow Morrissey if we consider ONLY his solo output.

In that case disregard Morrissey, and I've changed my mind for my second nomination, so my two selections are now :-

Will Toledo

Billy Bragg

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Hayden — Sat, 16 May 2020 19:55:53 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/16/2020 23:55

Skinny wrote:

How on earth is Joni Mitchell not in our top 40?

Just wait until I tell you Genesis is.

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

Skinny — Sat, 16 May 2020 19:39:48 GMT

Author: Skinny

Posted: 05/16/2020 23:39

baystateoftheart wrote:

Joni Mitchell & Gil Scott-Heron

How on earth is Joni Mitchell not in our top 40?

Re: Best Songwriters [CLOSED]

baystateoftheart — Sat, 16 May 2020 19:14:03 GMT

Author: baystateoftheart

Posted: 05/16/2020 23:14

Joni Mitchell & Gil Scott-Heron