Best Ever Albums

Re: Radiohead

Anonymous — Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:40:01 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 06/05/2020 15:40

Fischman wrote:

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Is it me, or do these characters look like Jarvis Cocker and David Bowie? 🤣

Re: Radiohead

DriftingOrpheus — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:22:20 GMT

Author: DriftingOrpheus

Posted: 06/05/2020 02:22

Spyglass wrote:

There is no such thing as objectively shit. Besides, IMO, the debut's better than In Rainbows, Hail to the Thief and The Bends.

With Arctic Monkeys' debut I tend to fall in the middle of the spectrum, I don't believe it's anywhere near objective shit, but it shouldn't be anywhere near the top 100 or even mentioned alongside HTTT and In Rainbows but this is why this site is so engaging (opinions exist).

Re: Radiohead

RoundTheBend — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:56:47 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/05/2020 01:56

Fischman wrote:

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Re: Radiohead

RoundTheBend — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:50:09 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/05/2020 01:50

Jameth wrote:

network effect>>bandwagon effect>>positive feedback loop.

Can I get a hell yes?

Also that's basically "objectively" how culture works. New Historicism is a literary theory term that basically is that discourse.

Re: Radiohead

RoundTheBend — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:48:24 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 06/05/2020 01:48

Saying art can't be objective is throwing out every single literary critic who ever lived and all their work, which makes me sad.

To say everything has to be true with a capital T kind of objective, now that's the kind of world that makes me dogmatically cringe.

Pluralism doesn't discount something can be both objective and subjective at the same time.

Long story short if language wasn't in the way I guarantee you that you actually all agree.

Re: Radiohead

CA Dreamin — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:44:57 GMT

Author: CA Dreamin

Posted: 06/05/2020 00:44

StefanR10 wrote:

My question is why is the Radiohead album at number 1 spot. I see the chart and is comes at first when i see the reviews and rankings i see that Pink Floyds "Dark Side of The Moon" is better reviewed and has not so much comments as Ok Computer. Is it fact that most of the users of BEA.com are young or have the most of them grown up in the era of Radiohead. While i think a other album could be on number one spot. But what do you say to this. :?:

A Radiohead album is #1 for the objective reason provided by craola. It's based on cumulative points from every chart from every user on the site. But to answer your question, yes I think it's a generational thing; that most users on the site grew up with Radiohead, as opposed to artists of the 60s and 70s.

Re: Radiohead

Jameth — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:01:28 GMT

Author: Jameth

Posted: 06/05/2020 00:01

I answered a similar question last night on RYM, and said they were a gateway band. That, whether someone’s rated 10 or 10,000 albums, they’ve probably rated Radiohead (It’s different here with the charts). Since almost all current members have rated/charted Radiohead, any new members are very likely to do the same compared to bands that are less popular. But, I think I was beside the point, and it comes down to something like this:

network effect>>bandwagon effect>>positive feedback loop.

I’m a part of it myself, since I know I’m contributing points to three Radiohead albums that are in my year charts. Despite the fact that I wouldn’t consider Radiohead to be in my top 100 artists, it’s possible I’m contributing more points to them than I am to artists I like much better with releases in years I consider to be much stronger (which might be a good argument for expanding the overall charts for users to 200 or more).

Re: Radiohead

LedZep — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:32:01 GMT

Author: LedZep

Posted: 06/04/2020 22:32

Fischman wrote:

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This was funny and accurate when I first saw it several years ago, it's still accurate and something tells me it's gonna be like that for a looong time 🤣

Re: Radiohead

Spyglass — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:19:20 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/04/2020 21:19

If I hear "you don't understand" one more freakin' time...

Re: Radiohead

Fischman — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:02:33 GMT

Author: Fischman

Posted: 06/04/2020 21:02

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Re: Radiohead

Spyglass — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 15:10:26 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/04/2020 19:10

Is it that much fun to stay at the TMI?

Re: Radiohead

craola — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:51:29 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 06/04/2020 18:51

Spyglass wrote:

I'm a fan of ... interpret that as you see fit.

see, now i look like a snob, which couldn't be further from reality. i hope. my wife is my favorite person in the world, and we have zero overlap in what we enjoy listening to. your taste in music says nothing about who you are as a person 99.9% of the time. truth is, i'd respect you all the same if you told me you enjoy listening to field recordings of toilet flushes. just don't expect to see me at the concert. enjoy your humbug.

* i went through a phase where i was, in fact, recording various toilet flushes and other odd water closet noises and remixing them to try to create something "new" and "unique" and "exciting". i hit the first two, but i must admit that there was nothing exciting about the final product. my sister and brother-in-law found it very unsettling to listen to. so, by all means, if you do happen to listen to toilet flushes, let me know. i'm still holding out some hope that this niche is a potential gold mine. um, you might still find me at that concert.

Re: Radiohead

Spyglass — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:24:58 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/04/2020 17:24

I'm a fan of Humbug and AM, so interpret that as you see fit.

Re: Radiohead

craola — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:23:50 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 06/04/2020 17:23

Spyglass wrote:

In fact, if you want to convince people that they're bad, then "objective" is only going to drive people away from your opinion.

everything about appreciating art and music is obviously quite subjective, and there will never be a list of best albums that pleases everyone. radiohead has the top ranked album on this site. that doesn't mean anything. arctic monkeys are a very popular group, so they're high in our lists. that was mainly my point. i was being a tad facetious, and perhaps offensive just for the hell of it, but i ultimately have no interest in convincing anyone not to like their stuff. if you like it, that's great. i would hate to ruin that for you, not that i really could anyway.

Re: Radiohead

Spyglass — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:51:14 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/04/2020 16:51

craola wrote:

normally, i'd agree with you, but shit is objectively shit as sure as water is wet, or else our language falls apart completely. beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, and hey, maybe some people like shit. my dog certainly doesn't seem to mind it.

It's a very pretentious thing to decide for other people what's objective. Just because one person in the BEA community is outspoken about their hatred about Arctic Monkeys, that doesn't mean it's true. In fact, if you want to convince people that they're bad, then "objective" is only going to drive people away from your opinion.

Re: Radiohead

StefanR10 — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:47:07 GMT

Author: StefanR10

Posted: 06/04/2020 16:47

Ok i mean i agree with most of the top 1000 albums. But i think Pink Floyd should be at number 1 spot or a album by the Beatles. But I don´t think the Arctic Monkeys are bad they make good music.

Re: Radiohead

craola — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:32:40 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 06/04/2020 16:32

Spyglass wrote:

There is no such thing as objectively shit. Besides, IMO, the debut's better than In Rainbows, Hail to the Thief and The Bends.

Re: Radiohead

Spyglass — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:19:21 GMT

Author: Spyglass

Posted: 06/04/2020 16:19

craola wrote:

it's based on charts, not ratings. granted, you can also sort by ratings, but ultimately, every album appearing in your charts is weighted based on position. albums with the most appearances, particularly in high slots on overall lists, tend to receive the most points. this is why objectively shit albums by objectively shit artists like the arctic monkeys make their way into the top 100.

There is no such thing as objectively shit. Besides, IMO, the debut's better than In Rainbows, Hail to the Thief and The Bends.

Re: Radiohead

craola — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:47:42 GMT

Author: craola

Posted: 06/04/2020 15:47

StefanR10 wrote:

Radiohead

StefanR10 — Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:25:43 GMT

Author: StefanR10

Posted: 06/04/2020 14:25

My question is why is the Radiohead album at number 1 spot. I see the chart and is comes at first when i see the reviews and rankings i see that Pink Floyds "Dark Side of The Moon" is better reviewed and has not so much comments as Ok Computer. Is it fact that most of the users of BEA.com are young or have the most of them grown up in the era of Radiohead. While i think a other album could be on number one spot. But what do you say to this. ❓