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Re: Umbrella Stats

Hayden — Wed, 20 May 2026 19:46:47 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/20/2026 23:46

albummaster wrote:

(VU another duplication in the 60s summary)

Didn't even notice that 😶
Oops—

Re: Umbrella Stats

albummaster — Wed, 20 May 2026 11:52:04 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 05/20/2026 15:52

Hayden wrote:

Additional note—

In the chart summary (top box) where it states the 'top artists' of that period (i.e. the 50s) it currently includes the following—

1950s decade summary
The best artists of the 1950s were Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Frank Sinatra, Charles Mingus, Elvis Presley, Art Blakey, Thelonious Monk, Billie Holiday, The Dave Brubeck Quartet and Duke Ellington.

With this potential update, I would lean towards only parent IDs being valid for these situations, so we wouldn't have Brubeck listed twice. I'm under the impression that all of the points that are being tallied for the The Dave Brubeck Quartet to land in the top 10 are being counted again under Brubeck's ID umbrella.

A similar circumstance happens with our top-ranked artists of the 60s—

1960s decade summary
The best artists of the 1960s were The Beatles, The Velvet Underground, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Beach Boys, The Velvet Underground & Nico, The Doors, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones.

And yes, credit is where credit is due, but we essentially have a redundancy here. Hendrix really only needs to be represented once. Does it get tricky sometimes? Yes. Would all of (i.e.) John Lennon's points be tallied within the Beatles parent ID? No, different project, solo work, etc. It wouldn't consider the work of 'members', just the overall parent ID.

(This happens again with Nat King Cole in the 50s, but you get the point)

Agree, sorry for not spotting sooner. This will be included when the above change is made (VU another duplication in the 60s summary). Neil Young as pointed out by Johnnyo another one that would be affected in listened as well as year/decade summaries.

Re: Umbrella Stats

Johnnyo — Wed, 20 May 2026 01:27:28 GMT

Author: Johnnyo

Posted: 05/20/2026 05:27

Sounds like an interesting idea. One artists for me who stands out is Neil Young

So many collaborations, Neil Young And Promise Of The Real, Neil Young & The Chrome Hearts, Neil Young With The Santa Monica Flyers to name just three

Will be interesting to see how this pans out

Re: Umbrella Stats

Hayden — Sat, 16 May 2026 21:14:50 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/17/2026 01:14

Additional note—

In the chart summary (top box) where it states the 'top artists' of that period (i.e. the 50s) it currently includes the following—

1950s decade summary
The best artists of the 1950s were Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Frank Sinatra, Charles Mingus, Elvis Presley, Art Blakey, Thelonious Monk, Billie Holiday, The Dave Brubeck Quartet and Duke Ellington.

With this potential update, I would lean towards only parent IDs being valid for these situations, so we wouldn't have Brubeck listed twice. I'm under the impression that all of the points that are being tallied for the The Dave Brubeck Quartet to land in the top 10 are being counted again under Brubeck's ID umbrella.

A similar circumstance happens with our top-ranked artists of the 60s—

1960s decade summary
The best artists of the 1960s were The Beatles, The Velvet Underground, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Beach Boys, The Velvet Underground & Nico, The Doors, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones.

And yes, credit is where credit is due, but we essentially have a redundancy here. Hendrix really only needs to be represented once. Does it get tricky sometimes? Yes. Would all of (i.e.) John Lennon's points be tallied within the Beatles parent ID? No, different project, solo work, etc. It wouldn't consider the work of 'members', just the overall parent ID.

(This happens again with Nat King Cole in the 50s, but you get the point)

Re: Umbrella Stats

Hayden — Sat, 16 May 2026 10:24:33 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/16/2026 14:24

albummaster wrote:

Hayden wrote:

Also thinking of the potential repercussions of doing so, but for the most part I can't think of any major negatives (by all means, artists are already given a parent ID)—

This wouldn't apply to collaborations, general credits, etc, etc, as it is now, just the overall parent umbrella/ID—

This would be a recommendation for the entire site, note just the personal listened stats. I think looking at the artist breakdown on charts and seeing—

Miles Davis —10 albums
Miles Davis All-Stars — 3 albums
Miles Davis Quintet — 3 albums
Miles Davis + 19 — 3 albums
Miles Davis Sextet — 3 albums
Miles Davis And The Lighthouse All-Stars — 3 albums
etc...
(not real numbers)

—ranked individually in the stats, doesn't properly represent the weight of the primary artist's 25 albums.
And, I mean, nor is it too fun to fish through stuff with ctrl+F, or miss things completely, etc—

(Or, like your example with Prince)

It wouldn't change anything else. Just what's represented on stat breakdowns.

Concur with what you are saying and it's probably not too big of a big change (without looking too deeply yet). If it's not too big, I'll see if it can be squeezed into one of the next couple of updates.

Thanks AM—
Especially if it isn't too much work—

If there's pushback, of course, don't, but I feel like it would be a useful improvement to the feature—

Re: Umbrella Stats

albummaster — Sat, 16 May 2026 07:51:48 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 05/16/2026 11:51

Hayden wrote:

Re: Umbrella Stats

Hayden — Sat, 16 May 2026 07:16:42 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/16/2026 11:16

Also thinking of the potential repercussions of doing so, but for the most part I can't think of any major negatives (by all means, artists are already given a parent ID)—

This wouldn't apply to collaborations, general credits, etc, etc, as it is now, just the overall parent umbrella/ID—

This would be a recommendation for the entire site, note just the personal listened stats. I think looking at the artist breakdown on charts and seeing—

Miles Davis —10 albums
Miles Davis All-Stars — 3 albums
Miles Davis Quintet — 3 albums
Miles Davis + 19 — 3 albums
Miles Davis Sextet — 3 albums
Miles Davis And The Lighthouse All-Stars — 3 albums
etc...
(not real numbers)

—ranked individually in the stats, doesn't properly represent the weight of the primary artist's 25 albums.
And, I mean, nor is it too fun to fish through stuff with ctrl+F, or miss things completely, etc—

(Or, like your example with Prince)

It wouldn't change anything else. Just what's represented on stat breakdowns.

Re: Umbrella Stats

albummaster — Sat, 16 May 2026 04:44:58 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 05/16/2026 08:44

Hayden wrote:

Hello AM, BEA—

This has most likely been suggested before, or at least discussed, but I'm wondering if BEA's code is situated for a potential update on considering solely the overall umbrella/parent artist as representation for stat composition. This would not consider splits/collaborations/joint projects, etc, just the artist's overall 'tree'—

Currently, when I look at my 'listened composition' or the 'overall chart composition', etc, and sort by artist, it separates artists from their branches, despite them being listed on the artist's actual page. Artists with multiple personas/band names/group names don't seem to quite get their proper representation, and end up scattered throughout the composition's rankings instead of an overall tally.

This is not about Sun Ra in particular, but I feel like it's one of the better examples of the situation. I'm going to use stats from my personal listening composition as an example.

My listened composition states I have listened to the following—
Sun Ra — 11

However, when you dive deeper, Sun Ra has many multiple entries, including—
Sun Ra And His Arkestra — 7
Sun Ra And His Myth Science Arkestra — 6
Sun Ra And His Solar Arkestra — 5
Sun Ra And His Astro-Infinity Arkestra — 2

Which, are all kinda the same thing—
Including all non-collab variations, a more realistic stat would state I've listened to 31 Sun Ra albums, not 11.

For a second example, something similar with Oscar Peterson—
(I do find this issue persists primarily with jazz musicians, who flipflop bandleading trios/quartets/solo, etc)
My listened composition states I have listened to the following—

Oscar Peterson — 19
Oscar Peterson Trio — 18
Oscar Peterson Quartet — 2

I feel a sole stat of 'Oscar Peterson — 39' would be easier to search/comb through, and represent the artist's prominence slightly better than it currently does. Although I have listened to over double the amount of albums from Oscar Peterson than I have, say The Beatles (19), it is not represented as such in the composition's tally.

When looking at overall composition stats via artist credit, would it be a popular idea to tally these albums under a sole parent/umbrella, utilizing the variations stat on the artist pages? If the current method is preferred, understood, as technically they're 'different', but I don't quite find this a particularly easy or accurate way to sort stats, and I feel like we have the background data to summarize artist's data under their main parent.

Like I said, if this is not popular, or doable, it is not the end of the world, but I feel it would help tidy things up a smidge, as represent artist's discography a little better on our charts. Are there complications? Yes. But all I'm asking is for tallies to count all variations of an artist's parent ID umbrella, and we'd leave it at that.

Thoughts?

It's definitely doable to group the composition by parent artist instead of showing all the variations, I'll add to list. Just trying to think of reasons not to do this (or why it wouldn't be a good idea). There may be some artists where a variation isn't assigned correctly, or other artists where aliases perform distinct types of music. It could be a configurable option to choose what to show by default (or perhaps show both as two separate compositions which might get around this and/or have option to hide/show if it's too much for some people). Artist compositions are used not just in listened, but also across charts etc. Is this something unique to listened, or is this something that should be global across the whole site? Individual charts probably less affected, but in the aggregate charts you'll have Prince etc and all his variations so might be useful to see this.

Umbrella Stats

Hayden — Fri, 15 May 2026 21:13:08 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/16/2026 01:13

Hello AM, BEA—

This has most likely been suggested before, or at least discussed, but I'm wondering if BEA's code is situated for a potential update on considering solely the overall umbrella/parent artist as representation for stat composition. This would not consider splits/collaborations/joint projects, etc, just the artist's overall 'tree'—

Currently, when I look at my 'listened composition' or the 'overall chart composition', etc, and sort by artist, it separates artists from their branches, despite them being listed on the artist's actual page. Artists with multiple personas/band names/group names don't seem to quite get their proper representation, and end up scattered throughout the composition's rankings instead of an overall tally.

This is not about Sun Ra in particular, but I feel like it's one of the better examples of the situation. I'm going to use stats from my personal listening composition as an example.

My listened composition states I have listened to the following—
Sun Ra — 11

However, when you dive deeper, Sun Ra has many multiple entries, including—
Sun Ra And His Arkestra — 7
Sun Ra And His Myth Science Arkestra — 6
Sun Ra And His Solar Arkestra — 5
Sun Ra And His Astro-Infinity Arkestra — 2

Which, are all kinda the same thing—
Including all non-collab variations, a more realistic stat would state I've listened to 31 Sun Ra albums, not 11.

For a second example, something similar with Oscar Peterson—
(I do find this issue persists primarily with jazz musicians, who flipflop bandleading trios/quartets/solo, etc)
My listened composition states I have listened to the following—

Oscar Peterson — 19
Oscar Peterson Trio — 18
Oscar Peterson Quartet — 2

I feel a sole stat of 'Oscar Peterson — 39' would be easier to search/comb through, and represent the artist's prominence slightly better than it currently does. Although I have listened to over double the amount of albums from Oscar Peterson than I have, say The Beatles (19), it is not represented as such in the composition's tally.

When looking at overall composition stats via artist credit, would it be a popular idea to tally these albums under a sole parent/umbrella, utilizing the variations stat on the artist pages? If the current method is preferred, understood, as technically they're 'different', but I don't quite find this a particularly easy or accurate way to sort stats, and I feel like we have the background data to summarize artist's stats under their main parent.

Like I said, if this is not popular, or doable, it is not the end of the world, but I feel it would help tidy things up a smidge, and represent artist's discography a little better on our charts. Are there complications? Yes. But all I'm asking is for tallies to count all variations of an artist's parent ID umbrella, and we'd leave it at that.

Thoughts?