Best Ever Albums

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:34:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/24/2012 21:34

No, don't get me wrong. I do like Nirvana. Nevermind is in my top 100. I even saw them in concert on the In Utero tour. I just don't think Nevermind is the end-all-be-all that it's made out to be.

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:01:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/24/2012 21:01

gtroda wrote:

mancsoulsister wrote:

'Nevermind' pretty much single-handedly moved Indie/alternative music from underground to mainstream. All of a sudden Indie bands were in the charts and you could buy their stuff at mainstream record shops.

I would submit that REM's popularity with Green (1988) and Out of Time (1991 - 6 months before Nevermind) had just as much to do with that as Nevermind did.

and I would submit that that is not the case... yes REM were popular and the albums you name are good ones but they weren't 'influential'.

It's ok if you don't like Nevermind or Nirvana... but it's release really was a game changer. At the time Nevermind came out I was 20 and had been into Indie music for about 6 years. Indie was completely underground, only freaks and weirdos listened to Indie music when I was a teen. All that sort of changed and as Bork says in one of his posts the difference is like day and night from pre-Nevermind and post-Nevermind. I am not even saying that the changes were all good (for example the decline of the Indie record label) but they were quite marked...

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Chemical Smile — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:52:44 GMT

Author: Chemical Smile

Posted: 01/24/2012 14:52

swedenman wrote:

Okay, I don't know the Killing Joke song (and can't listen to it right now because I'm listening to Toxicity), but Smells like Teen Spirit and More than a Feeling? Is that a joke?

Hayden wrote:

Yeah....

I can't find a resemblance :-k

Jackwc wrote:

I TOTALLY agree with the Killing Joke one (they even ripped off the tone!) but yeah, your comparison between More Than A Feeling and Smells Like Teen Spirit is... a tad ridiculous...

I mean, I GUESS the chord progression is kinda similar, but really? They sound nothing alike. Where do you get that?

OK, seems i've ruffled a few feathers so let me explain a bit further - I came across the Come As You Are/Eighties riff similarity a while ago by accident and was a bit surprised by it,(although I'm sure it was already well known), the Teen Spirit/More Than A Feeling similarity I'd heard about all the way back in the 90's. I think I may even have read an interview where Kurt himself said he'd ripped off the song (or more specifically some of the chords). The chord progression is slightly similar (42 seconds in on More Than A Feeling), I didn't offer up either examples as a diss or insult to Nirvana or any fans, just thought I'd share something I found interesting....

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:13:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/24/2012 13:13

Bork wrote:

You can really divide most average music listeners between those who shaped their musical identity before Nevermind, and those who did it after.

I don't really agree with that. I was in high school at the time and was the target audience. I was shaping my musical identity at that time. I still have two albums from 1991 in my top 5. Perhaps that's why I feel the importance of Nevermind is overblown. There was plenty of other good music being made around that same time.

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:04:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/24/2012 13:04

mancsoulsister wrote:

I would submit that REM's popularity with Green (1988) and Out of Time (1991 - 6 months before Nevermind) had just as much to do with that as Nevermind did.

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Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:01:20 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/24/2012 13:01

19loveless91 wrote:

Nevermind is a more radio friendly version of 1980s alternative rock. Probably the first album like that to really go mainstream, so yeah I actually think it did change the music industry, along with Pearl Jam's Ten... The question is if that's a good thing, because it mostly inspired pale imitators than actual great bands

Proved my point right there. "along with..." means one album alone didn't do it. Pearl Jam's Ten, a few of Soundgarden's albums, Alice in Chains' Facelifet, Mother Love Bone's Apple, Green River's Rehab Doll, Nirvana's own Bleach: several albums now considered "grunge classics" were all released before Nevermind.

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monosyllables — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:53:33 GMT

Author: monosyllables

Posted: 01/21/2012 04:53

I mean, Curt admits to ripping off the strumming pattern from "More Than a Feeling" in "Smells Like Teen Spirit;" He also insists that it's at least partly ripped off from Blue Oyster Cult's "Godzilla"
Nevermind might not be my favorite Nirvana album, but I think Wayne is railing a little hard against it, and it's tough to figure out why. It seems strange that he's so against the concept of an album focused around suffering and angst, but I guess that's just Wayne's preference in music.
I think an album can be beautiful through any one of a number of thematic emotional extremes, with the possible hard-line exception of hate. (Different, in my mind, from hatred)

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:20:04 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/21/2012 01:20

Mind Movie wrote:

Let's not forget that Killing Joke ripped of "Life Goes On" by The Damned to begin with (which is from 1982). Now it would be fun if The Damned had actually ripped it from someone else.

Link

Just had to quote this, as Killing Joke doesn't deserve any credit at all.

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kidamnesiac — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:08:35 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 01/21/2012 01:08

please don't post any boston videos ever again.

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:55:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/21/2012 00:55

Chemical Smile wrote:

Nirvana's biggest singles:

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sounds like:

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&

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ripped off:

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maybe not as ground breaking as thought... #-o

Okay, I listened to the Killing Joke tune. I will concede that the guitar riff is strikingly similar. Nevertheless, there's a lot more to the song than the guitar riff, and let's face it, Nevermind isn't exactly known for its innovative riffing patterns...

Though I never really thought Come as You Are was one of the album's better tunes, anyway.

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Jackwc — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:18:56 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 01/21/2012 00:18

Chemical Smile wrote:

Nirvana's biggest singles:

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sounds like:

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&

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ripped off:

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maybe not as ground breaking as thought... #-o

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:12:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/21/2012 00:12

pearljammer13 wrote:

swedenman wrote:

gtroda wrote:

I agree that Nevermind is massively overrated. It is a good album but not great. I get sick of reading how people say it changed an entire music industry and brough rock back to the mainstream. That doesn't even make sense. One album alone can't possibly do something like that. And there were several other alternative rock albums made at the time that were starting to get radio play before Nevermind came out.

Really? Then please, by all means, name me one album that came before Nevermind that sounds anything like Nevermind.

Also just gonna throw out there that Ten actually came out before Nevermind. I am well aware though that Ten only became so popular after the release/explosion of Nevermind. And although they are both considered
"grunge", they really aren't all that much alike. Musically and lyrically Ten is much more advanced I think. But obviously it's all personal preference as to which one is better. Just thought I'd mention that it actually came out first.

Yes, I did think of Ten, but as you said, I don't think the two sound as similar as one might believe due to the fact that they are so frequently lumped together. I personally think Ten was significantly more polished and darker (not necessarily better, though; everyone's got their own opinions, but I personally think Nevermind still manages to outshine Ten despite Ten's technical advantages) and really not comparable to Nevermind at all aside from its fundamental genre (which doesn't mean a whole lot when dealing with a genre as broad as grunge).

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:38:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/20/2012 23:38

Bork wrote:

I don't think I can name one other single album that had such a huge influence on the general sound to follow.

The Psychedelic Sounds of The 13th Floor Elevators? No, I'm probably just blinded by my vulgar love for it.

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Bork — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:32:29 GMT

Author: Bork

Posted: 01/20/2012 23:32

mancsoulsister wrote:

gtroda wrote:

One album really did do all that!

'Nevermind' pretty much single-handedly moved Indie/alternative music from underground to mainstream. All of a sudden Indie bands were in the charts and you could buy their stuff at mainstream record shops. Grunge/Heroin Chic was all over the catwalks. Back catalogues of bands that are now popular but were shit hard to get hold of 20 years ago were all re-released as a way of trying to cash in.... I remember it happening with utter amazement - it was like a huge tsunami had hit sweeping everything else in front of it!

It doesn't really matter whether you like 'Nevermind' or not or whether you think it is overrated or not, it is one of very few albums that over the last 50/60 years have had a huge and sweeping influence on the music industry and popular culture!

That's what I meant to say last night but was too tired to. Well put. You can really divide most average music listeners between those who shaped their musical identity before Nevermind, and those who did it after. I don't think I can name one other single album that had such a huge influence on the general sound to follow. Whether you like it or not is a different discussion.

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kidamnesiac — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:18:50 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 01/20/2012 23:18

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:14:54 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/20/2012 23:14

Jackwc wrote:

Mind Movie wrote:

joyofdivision wrote:

What are these drug addicts going on about?''

Now I love him even more (Wayne Coyne).

...wait, because of the Nirvana thing or the drug thing?

I actually don't know. All I know is that Wayne Coyne is awesome.

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:10:39 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/20/2012 23:10

Let's not forget that Killing Joke ripped of "Life Goes On" by The Damned to begin with (which is from 1982). Now it would be fun if The Damned had actually ripped it from someone else.

Link

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pearljammer13 — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:53:01 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 01/20/2012 22:53

swedenman wrote:

gtroda wrote:

Really? Then please, by all means, name me one album that came before Nevermind that sounds anything like Nevermind.

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Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:41:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 01/20/2012 22:41

gtroda wrote:

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Hayden — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:27:25 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 01/20/2012 22:27

swedenman wrote:

Chemical Smile wrote:

Nirvana's biggest singles:

Link

sounds like:

Link

Okay, I don't know the Killing Joke song (and can't listen to it right now because I'm listening to Toxicity), but Smells like Teen Spirit and More than a Feeling? Is that a joke?

Yeah....

I can't find a resemblance 🤔

BUT, did you know that the first few chords in Smells Like Teen Spirit are the same as King Of Carrot Flowers Pt. I? Just played at a different tempo & acoustically of course. I found that out last night when I found the music for King Of Carrot Flowers 😜