Best Ever Albums

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Facetious — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:13:43 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 08/14/2012 15:13

swedenman wrote:

That doesn't make it good. And I'm sure even a Beatles fanatic can concede that their later albums were superior to their earlier ones.

Not to mention that Twist and Shout, in addition to being annoyingly repetitive, wasn't even an original Beatles song.

You're right, it doesn't. It only saves it from being one of the most terrible albums of all time

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:52:54 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/14/2012 14:52

Anyone saying Blue Lines is wrong.

Pablo Honey's a good shout. The GZA's first album Words From The Genius deserves a mention. Gang Starr's first album is probably their worst too. Dylan's first album contained no real indication of the genius to come, but to say it's his worst album would be unfair.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

GeevyDallas — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:35:05 GMT

Author: GeevyDallas

Posted: 08/14/2012 12:35

Big A2 wrote:

My favourite it the 3rd album anyway. 8)

Yep,it should be everyone else's too,their best by a mile.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Big A2 — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:26:31 GMT

Author: Big A2

Posted: 08/14/2012 12:26

No, I will believe the hype because it's worth it. The last two tracks are problematic but everything else is near flawless. I think Nico's ice cold voice is perfect for the songs she sings. When the band played those three songs without her in live shows, it just wasn’t the same.

My favourite it the 3rd album anyway. 😎

Re: The worst ever debut album?

GeevyDallas — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:42:48 GMT

Author: GeevyDallas

Posted: 08/14/2012 10:42

Big A2 wrote:

Wow. I didn't think it was possible for anyone to like VU&N less than Loaded.

As a debut album, The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of the most ambitious efforts ever.

Don't believe the hype.I think every album after it is superb,I never got VU&N though.That Nico chick annoys the fuck out of me too.Although I think 'Heroin' is an unbelievable tune.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

RoundTheBend — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:12:48 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 08/14/2012 10:12

Pablo Honey - Radiohead. Thank goodness for Nigel Goodrich

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Big A2 — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:12:16 GMT

Author: Big A2

Posted: 08/14/2012 08:12

DLGGLD wrote:

Meh

Wow. I didn't think it was possible for anyone to like VU&N less than Loaded.

As a debut album, The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of the most ambitious efforts ever.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Mr. Shankly — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:42:12 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 08/14/2012 02:42

ZebraRock wrote:

Thanks, I actually did read the opening statement. No need to sound so patronising!

🫢 Sorry. I wasn't trying to sound patronizing. I tend to take a debater's approach when I have a strong opinion about something; maybe the tone comes off as patronizing to some people, but it's not my intention. I'm just trying to make my case... strongly. 🤣

Re: The worst ever debut album?

ZebraRock — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:32:04 GMT

Author: ZebraRock

Posted: 08/14/2012 01:32

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Thanks, I actually did read the opening statement. No need to sound so patronising! I don't think Oasis always sucked, I think What's the Story is a great album, Heathen Chemistry is a slightly better album, and Dig Out Your Soul is awesome. I happen to be bored by almost all of Definetely Maybe though. As I said though, I know I'm in the minority there.

I always kind of liked the early kinks, when they were a raw mod band, but I suppose other albums/singles did display that better than their debut, so I'm willing to give you that.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Mr. Shankly — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:57:54 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 08/14/2012 00:57

ZebraRock wrote:

Whoever said the Kinks and Stones, no way! The Kinks is actually a great album, well, at least, it had You Really Got Me and All Day and All of the Night on it.

And for the record Englands Newest Hitmakers is actually one of my favs. Much better than the Rolling Stones Now, or 12x5.

Agree with Pablo Honey, Leisure, and Boy being up there for bad debuts.

I would also add Definitely Maybe and Can't Buy a Thrill to that list but I know I'm in the minority there.

Oasis were so derivative and boring on their debut, I can't understand the heaps of praise they got for it, while Steely Dans Pretzel Logic, Aja, Royal Scam, and Katy Lied are all leagues better than their avereage-ish debut.

I brought up The Kinks. Here's the thing: I'm not putting The Kinks down as a band. If you read the first part of the thread closely, this is about great artists who started off not so good. The Kinks are in that category. In my opinion, they weren't as good at R&B covers as The Animals, The Yardbirds, The Rolling Stones, and The Who. Here is the track listing for their first album:

Side1

"Beautiful Delilah" (Chuck Berry) – 2:07
"So Mystifying" – 2:53
"Just Can't Go to Sleep" – 1:58
"Long Tall Shorty" (Herb Abramson, Don Covay) – 2:50
"I Took My Baby Home" – 1:48
"I'm a Lover Not a Fighter" (J. D. "Jay" Miller) – 2:03
"You Really Got Me" – 2:13

Side 2

"Cadillac" (Bo Diddley) – 2:44
"Bald Headed Woman" (Shel Talmy) – 2:41
"Revenge" (Ray Davies, Larry Page) – 1:29
"Too Much Monkey Business" (Berry) – 2:16
"I've Been Driving On Bald Mountain" (Talmy) – 2:01
"Stop Your Sobbing" – 2:06
"Got Love If You Want It" (James Moore) – 3:46

There are only three originals and arguably, two classic songs. Does that make a great album? What R&B covers did the Kinks do better than some of their contemporaries?

I might take back the Rolling Stones though, but they also had very few original compositions on their debut, but they were better at doing R&B covers. This wasn't the Kinks' forte. I've heard a bunch of these songs and I stand by that statement.

Boy is a great debut. It's so full of youthful energy and raw talent. I stand by that album. 🫵 And Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory are pretty much Oasis's peak. I don't think you can argue that Oasis developed greatly after their debut. That's what this thread is about. If you think Oasis always sucked, then there's no point in even mentioning them here. To be fair though, the title of the thread could have been worded more accurately; it's always good to check the opening post though.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Mother Nature's Son — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:01:44 GMT

Author: Mother Nature's Son

Posted: 08/13/2012 22:01

ZebraRock wrote:

Whoever said the Kinks and Stones, no way! The Kinks is actually a great album, well, at least, it had You Really Got Me and All Day and All of the Night on it.

I agree that "The Kinks" is a good album, I don't agree that "All Day and All of the Night" was a part of the album however.

ZebraRock wrote:

Oasis were so derivative and boring on their debut, I can't understand the heaps of praise they got for it, while Steely Dans Pretzel Logic, Aja, Royal Scam, and Katy Lied are all leagues better than their avereage-ish debut.

I didn't understand the praise of "Definitely Maybe" at first either, but after a couple of months I realized that every song was catchy, it was pure rock'n roll and the highlight of Liam's voice in the whole career of Oasis.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

ZebraRock — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:49:45 GMT

Author: ZebraRock

Posted: 08/13/2012 21:49

Whoever said the Kinks and Stones, no way! The Kinks is actually a great album, well, at least, it had You Really Got Me and All Day and All of the Night on it.

And for the record Englands Newest Hitmakers is actually one of my favs. Much better than the Rolling Stones Now, or 12x5.

Agree with Pablo Honey, Leisure, and Boy being up there for bad debuts.

I would also add Definitely Maybe and Can't Buy a Thrill to that list but I know I'm in the minority there.

Oasis were so derivative and boring on their debut, I can't understand the heaps of praise they got for it, while Steely Dans Pretzel Logic, Aja, Royal Scam, and Katy Lied are all leagues better than their avereage-ish debut.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:38:54 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/13/2012 20:38

That looks nothing like a Primal Scream cover despite having the name on it! 😲

Re: The worst ever debut album?

GeevyDallas — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:03:22 GMT

Author: GeevyDallas

Posted: 08/13/2012 17:03

Not their worst,certainly not their best.

I like it,but general opinion says it's their worst.

Meh

I like it,nowhere near 'Nevermind' or 'In Utero'

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Re: The worst ever debut album?

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:19:43 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/13/2012 16:19

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Re: The worst ever debut album?

GARY — Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:38:39 GMT

Author: GARY

Posted: 02/08/2012 17:38

Eggman/Walrus/Taxman wrote:

sethmadsen wrote:

Pablo Honey is the most disappointing. It's hard to believe they wrote some of that stuff.

I love Boy (U2), but the first time I heard it I was thinking to myself that it sucked baaaaad. Now I understand that unpolished 80s post punk is what it is - not crap. And it's actually really good unpolished 80s post punk. It's kinda like listing to Bleach the first time... if you don't get Nirvana, you would probably think that sucks too.

I would also agree that Please Please Me is a pretty awesome album of the time. I don't think there is a pop album around that time that had any consistency and were mostly just crap songs with a single or two on it that made you buy it. With Please Please Me you get almost a consistent album, and some really great tunes.
I would also agree that starting with Revolver, the Beatles mastered the album. Before the music was still amazing and each song was amazing, but it didn't have that album feel.

Rolling Stones did suck horribly- they didn't get it right until, what 12x5?

Red Hot Chili Peppers Freaky Styley - just like Pablo Honey, it has some great stuff and some horrible stuff.

I love The Rolling Stones and Boy.

As do I 😁

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Re: The worst ever debut album?

Facetious — Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:34:55 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 02/08/2012 16:34

sethmadsen wrote:

I love The Rolling Stones and Boy.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Facetious — Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:33:43 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 02/08/2012 16:33

demetrios wrote:

I'll second GARY on this one
A hard days night is as good a Beatles Album as any other from their later period...

GARY wrote:

swedenman wrote:

Mind Movie wrote:

The Beatles. I don't care about anything that came before Rubber Soul.

Amen.

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I object 🫵

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Of course! It's almost as good as, say, ABBEY ROAD.

😨

Re: The worst ever debut album?

RoundTheBend — Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:24:59 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/08/2012 01:24

Pablo Honey is the most disappointing. It's hard to believe they wrote some of that stuff.

I love Boy (U2), but the first time I heard it I was thinking to myself that it sucked baaaaad. Now I understand that unpolished 80s post punk is what it is - not crap. And it's actually really good unpolished 80s post punk. It's kinda like listing to Bleach the first time... if you don't get Nirvana, you would probably think that sucks too.

I would also agree that Please Please Me is a pretty awesome album of the time. I don't think there is a pop album around that time that had any consistency and were mostly just crap songs with a single or two on it that made you buy it. With Please Please Me you get almost a consistent album, and some really great tunes.
I would also agree that starting with Revolver, the Beatles mastered the album. Before the music was still amazing and each song was amazing, but it didn't have that album feel.

Rolling Stones did suck horribly- they didn't get it right until, what 12x5?

Red Hot Chili Peppers Freaky Styley - just like Pablo Honey, it has some great stuff and some horrible stuff.

Re: The worst ever debut album?

Captain_Dude — Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:26:37 GMT

Author: Captain_Dude

Posted: 02/07/2012 23:26

GARY wrote:

swedenman wrote:

Rush. They have since produced 17 more albums (ranging from decent to incredible, at least in my eyes) and only one was worse than their debut for me. It's not...awful, it's just unoriginal and cliche. Some of the tunes are fun, at least.

I thought about the first RUSH album, but the truth is, that is not one of the worst debut albums in my opinion.

Even though I know it's not supposed 2 be a good album. It nonetheless actually is.

Besides, it has the song Working man on it 😁

Actually, I quite enjoy the first Rush album!