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Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Jackwc — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:37:21 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 02/18/2012 23:37

Xavygravy wrote:

Coming from the guys who wrote "Walk", a generic pop song with the guitars turned up.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Xavygravy — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:06:58 GMT

Author: Xavygravy

Posted: 02/18/2012 23:06

Coming from the guys who wrote "Walk", a generic pop song with the guitars turned up.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

RoundTheBend — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:18:44 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/18/2012 21:18

I would agree that I find it stupid when people say, well it's good because they use real instruments. Or if an artists does anything digital- a painting, a drawing - old disney vs pixar. My sister is one who just thinks anything done with a computer doesn't have the same worth as anything done by hand----- which is total crap.

I love the Foo Fighters. If they came out with an electronic album, i'd embrace it because I know they are true artists. Electronic or not, bad artists make crap material.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Norman Bates — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:44:44 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 02/18/2012 19:44

Hayden wrote:

Is a 'laptop' an instrument? :-k

Well, if the definition of "instrument" can somehow not be too far from the definition of "tool" (and in my mind those two words are close somehow), a laptop is an instrument. If anything that you use to do something can be called an instrument, anything that you use to make music can be called a musical instrument I guess. Voice is sometimes referred to as an instrument I think. The difference would be that laptops weren't invented specifically to play music, but then again the programs you'll use were, so...

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Norman Bates — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:40:32 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 02/18/2012 19:40

Hayden wrote:

Norman Bates wrote:

DaveGrohl wrote:

Singing into a microphone and learning to play an instrument and learning your craft is the most important thing for people to do.

I totally disagree. And Grohl, indebted as he and Nirvana were to punk rock music should disagree too. That's a totally ordinary, demagogic speech to do.

I wouldn't think of myself as fitting any of the categories you quote, and I still think this speech is nothing spectacular really, and easy to disagree with.

However, I'll agree that it's an interesting quote to discuss, and I quite enjoy reading this thread.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

kidamnesiac — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:35:02 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 02/18/2012 19:35

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_%28Gorillaz_album%29

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Hayden — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:29:14 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 02/18/2012 19:29

Norman Bates wrote:

DaveGrohl wrote:

Singing into a microphone and learning to play an instrument and learning your craft is the most important thing for people to do.

I totally disagree. And Grohl, indebted as he and Nirvana were to punk rock music should disagree too. That's a totally ordinary, demagogic speech to do.

I love how controversial this entire speech is 🤣 Either people are dumb enough to not understand it, or they're too caught up with defending electronic music, or you agree with parts of it, or they're punk fans, or they think the Foo Fighters suck, or they're Skrillex fans, etc....

It's really interesting to watch 😜

He recently 'cleared up' what he meant by that speech, and he basically just elaborated on how he likes electronic music.

But. The real question here,

Is a 'laptop' an instrument? 🤔

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Norman Bates — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:21:20 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 02/18/2012 19:21

DaveGrohl wrote:

Singing into a microphone and learning to play an instrument and learning your craft is the most important thing for people to do.

I totally disagree. And Grohl, indebted as he and Nirvana were to punk rock music should disagree too. That's a totally ordinary, demagogic speech to do.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

RoundTheBend — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:56:48 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/18/2012 17:56

Why the FUCK are the Foo Fighters not in the top 100!!!!

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Chemical Smile — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:48:02 GMT

Author: Chemical Smile

Posted: 02/15/2012 10:48

Jhereko wrote:

Chemical Smile wrote:

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! :evil:

I would love to hear what you could come up with when just simply "Pushing buttons on a computer", Chemical Smile. A lot of the sounds you have on your chart (despite it being a rock dominated chart) would have been created by "pushing buttons on a computer". I mean for goodness sake you have Entroducing at #36 on your chart 🤣 . That album is in the Guinness Book Of Records for "First Completely Sampled Album". That's right - not one bit was played by DJ Shadow on an instrument. But it's still a highly respected album because "Pushing buttons on a computer" and creating a great album through that, ain't as simple as a lotta people put it and not everyone can do it. I can't sample effectively (and I do a lot of electronic music) - have you ever tried? it's an incredibly difficult craft to get right.

yeah, fair point about Entroducing. My quote was directed more at the pop rubbish that clogs up radio/tv/grammys. I have no problem with sampling at all - remember i'm a huge hip hop fan so it would be crazy not to appreiciate sampling and the difficulty involved,(i tried it before, the hardest part i found was matching the right tempo/timing with the rest of the music).
The thing i hate is all the processing that goes on in pop music - the looping & cut/pasting chords/progressions rather than playing them all, the fact that every pop song i hear on the radio/tv/gym has the same rave synths & breakdowns as each other. The auto-tune on vocals i especially hate. Pretty much every one of these songs sound the same because they are all made the same way, probably using the same software.
I've mucked around in programs like Garageband and Logic Pro, and it's has been fun, but to me it felt more like playing a game of tetris - joining samples and coloured boxes together - rather than the thrill of sitting in a room with someone else playing along with each other.
And although my chart is probably 90% rock, i'm not some guitar-only-hate-all-electronic-music heathen. There's a lot of "electronic artists" or "electronic albums" i adore: Air, Goldfrapp, Groove Armada, Halou, Hot Chip, Kruder & Dorfmeister, Leftfield, Lemon Jelly, Masive Attack, Thievery Corporation......and while i dislike 'dance music', i'm a big fan of drum & bass (LTJ Bukem, State Of Mind, Dillinja, Roni Size) as well.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Jackwc — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:29:10 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 02/15/2012 00:29

Chemical Smile wrote:

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! :evil:

Yeah! You know what else? Neither is pushing keys on a piano! Or holding down strings on a guitar! Or strumming strings on a harp! Or blowing on a trumpet! Or gliding a bow on a cello! Or fretting a koto! Or contracting and expanding vocal chords! Or...

Oh, wait, yes they are. My bad. See how things seem so easy if you decide to simplify all the effort put into it?

tl;dr, I think you're wrong, biased, your logic is faulty and you don't know a thing about making electronic music.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Fergenaprido — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:16:08 GMT

Author: Fergenaprido

Posted: 02/15/2012 00:16

Hayden wrote:

He's just pissed that Skrillex beat Cut Copy...

Now Hayden, if you want to insult someone, at least make it large enough for them to read.

Didn't your mother ever teach you manners? 😜

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:03:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/15/2012 00:03

Hayden wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

Chemical Smile wrote:

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! :evil:

I can't sample effectively (and I do a lot of electronic music) - have you ever tried? it's an incredibly difficult craft to get right.

It's a lot more difficult than actually recording it 🤣

It really is!

and this ties into what loveless was saying

19loveless91 wrote:

\There's nothing wrong (or less worthy) with making music with sampling, autotuning (etc) even if you can't sing or play, as long as you don't use those tools to try and make people think you can sing and play.

and I think a lot of (and I apologies for generalizing here) 'rock guys' assume that people who sample in music do so because they can't play it (and therefore gain a false sense of superiority) when really it is simply because it gives you a different sound.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Hayden — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:50:03 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 02/14/2012 23:50

Jhereko wrote:

Chemical Smile wrote:

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! :evil:

I can't sample effectively (and I do a lot of electronic music) - have you ever tried? it's an incredibly difficult craft to get right.

It's a lot more difficult than actually recording it 🤣

I tried a few drum samples for Candles...damn 🤡 Never worked.

And some samples really work 😄 Especially in hip-hop.

And techno/ electronica is a lot more difficult than people assume it is...it's not just "click this button, and it sounds good", there's a few dozen more steps after that. Try to actually make a decent, orinigal electronic beat (The Knife, LCD Soundsystem, Kanye West). Good luck.

Of course, you could just be deadmou5, and suck. 😐 Etc..

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:33:39 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/14/2012 23:33

Chemical Smile wrote:

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! :evil:

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:54:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/14/2012 17:54

19loveless91 wrote:

Just one random note

There's nothing wrong (or less worthy) with making music with sampling, autotuning (etc) even if you can't sing or play, as long as you don't use those tools to try and make people think you can sing and play.

You could argue it is another outlet for expression. And that is the whole purpose of music is it not? 🤔

Or maybe to sell things? Give negative messages? Yet people who play instruments can just as easily do that.

It's difficult topic to navigate 🤔 Need a sturdy boat through stormy waves. The thunder is the sky regardless of who behaves.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Applerill — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:32:09 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 02/14/2012 13:32

GARY wrote:

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Ya, real complicated shit there squishy 🙄

But only if your IQ is about 60 as is yours.

NEXT

🤬

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BAD GARY!!! BAD!!!!

GARY, I like you. But when you diss the single most awesome BEA member here, yo gonna get yo arse whooped.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Chemical Smile — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:11:18 GMT

Author: Chemical Smile

Posted: 02/14/2012 11:11

pushing buttons on a computer is not a talent! 🤬

Link

great quote there as well: "I hate it when people compare Dave Grohl to God. I mean, he's cool and all, but he's not Dave Grohl." 🤣 😎

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

19loveless91 — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:38:22 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 02/14/2012 08:38

Just one random note

There's nothing wrong (or less worthy) with making music with sampling, autotuning (etc) even if you can't sing or play, as long as you don't use those tools to try and make people think you can sing and play.

Re: Why Dave Grohl Rules

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:42:17 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/14/2012 07:42

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