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Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:24:44 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/16/2012 18:24

In my experience most people who like "obscure" or "indie" music like it because of honest reasons, not as a label. I always have found that to some extent the thought that people simply don't wan't to like something popular to be a reactionary...uhhhhh...reaction by people who are angry that their view of the musical world was challenged. But I haven't met everyone, I'm sure these people do exist, i just get the feeling that its a far smaller demographic than people presume. I could be wrong.

to some extent the "you only care about obscurity" attack, even if accurate feels to me rather defensive, a shallow way of justifying not listening to "obscure" music that is no better than those "indie" people whom they very well may be accurately criticizing.

Can't we just listen without worrying about outside factors?

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

RoundTheBend — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:34:44 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/16/2012 17:34

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Really? This is the first time, you've heard or read someone critiquing the indie creed? If that's the case, you need to read and/ or get out of the house more. Shit! I wrote an editorial for my college newspaper about this very issue back in the mid 90's. Check it out if you want:

http://dailyuw.com/news/1998/may/07/indie-cred-music-fans-or-label-fans/

I love the irony, because what he's attacking is pretentious, overly self-conscious people, and talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are few people in rock as pretentious, self conscious, and full of themselves as Billy Corgan. You look up "douche" in the urban dictionary and there's probably a picture of Billy Corgan in there somewhere.

Nice piece. The label does not necessarily determine what the music is going to sound like. After all, we're not label fans, we are music fans.

I guess stating that that is the first time wouldn't be true- I guess what I meant was first time I have heard it said like that from an artist.

And yes Billy is a joke, but was hoping to get more discussion. People - please read this article. It's message couldn't be heard to much, and is most likely not said enough.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

RoundTheBend — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:31:56 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/16/2012 17:31

an_outlaw wrote:

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement. So any scene that will become so conscious of what they "listen" to will only run into problems in the long run. I mean... where would the enjoyment be? You are always comparing yourself to others and appearing like you are unrestrained and free when you become anything but.

Another problem is this leads into a cold demeanor. You have to appear intelligent to avoid scorn. You can't lose yourself when these people you admire come on. You're expected to stand watching and pretend to be "understanding" something.

Whole thing goes against what I believe.

Well said... agreed.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

BlueNote — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 02:52:40 GMT

Author: BlueNote

Posted: 04/16/2012 06:52

purple wrote:

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

True.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Mr. Shankly — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:17:03 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 04/16/2012 03:17

purple wrote:

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

Thank you for illustrating the point. 😁

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Romanelli — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:04:21 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 04/15/2012 15:04

Billy Corgan trashing the people who made him a world famous gazillionaire kind of reeks of hypocritic douchebaggery.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Anonymous — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:52:09 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/15/2012 14:52

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Mr. Shankly — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 05:46:44 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 04/15/2012 09:46

sethmadsen wrote:

From the Siamese Dream remastered edition notes linear notes:

"We started the album out with 'Cherub Rock' which is basically my big F.U. to the indie world. If you read the lyrics, that was basically me railing against the hipper-than-thou NYC mentality."

I liked this statement because it was the first time I have seen someone else talk about how ridiculous the "indie" scene can be.

What do you think? Does the indie scene tend to become so caught up in being indie, instead of appreciating music. Does it create an almost anti-music/true indie scene because they have swung so far away from the corporate music scene that they have almost become the corporate music scene in the sense that it creates stale music that, instead of trying to hard to sell like corporate rock, tries to hard to be "indie" and therefore equally loses value in music/culture.

And, if you are a listener of indie music, and indie music only- what do you think? Please identify yourselves so I can mock you (jk, I respect you and like a lot of indie music myself, but as you can see from my lists I am nowhere near a strict indie listener).

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:14:49 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/14/2012 20:14

an_outlaw wrote:

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement.

I was about to post something like that.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:58:15 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 04/14/2012 15:58

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement. So any scene that will become so conscious of what they "listen" to will only run into problems in the long run. I mean... where would the enjoyment be? You are always comparing yourself to others and appearing like you are unrestrained and free when you become anything but.

Another problem is this leads into a cold demeanor. You have to appear intelligent to avoid scorn. You can't lose yourself when these people you admire come on. You're expected to stand watching and pretend to be "understanding" something.

Whole thing goes against what I believe.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

RoundTheBend — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:31:56 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/13/2012 07:31

Jackwc wrote:

Tsk, you hate Asian girls AND the Smashing Pumpkins. It's like we were never meant to get along...

Does anyone have anything intelligent to say about the quote and/or what is bolded?

Most of the conversation has been either I hate or love the Pumpkins. 🧱 🧱 🧱

"We started the album out with 'Cherub Rock' which is basically my big F.U. to the indie world. If you read the lyrics, that was basically me railing against the hipper-than-thou NYC mentality."

I liked this statement because it was the first time I have seen someone else talk about how ridiculous the "indie" scene can be.

What do you think? Does the indie scene tend to become so caught up in being indie, instead of appreciating music. Does it create an almost anti-music/true indie scene because they have swung so far away from the corporate music scene that they have almost become the corporate music scene in the sense that it creates stale music that, instead of trying to hard to sell like corporate rock, tries to hard to be "indie" and therefore equally loses value in music/culture.

And, if you are a listener of indie music, and indie music only- what do you think? Please identify yourselves so I can mock you (jk, I respect you and like a lot of indie music myself, but as you can see from my lists I am nowhere near a strict indie listener).

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Jackwc — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:16:00 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 04/10/2012 17:16

purple wrote:

Smashing Pumpkins are a joke, in every aspect

Tsk, you hate Asian girls AND the Smashing Pumpkins. It's like we were never meant to get along...

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

pearljammer13 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:12:32 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 04/10/2012 17:12

kidamnesiac wrote:

yes pearljammer i understand what you are saying but in defense of some of the hipsters there are a couple of reasons why people don't want certain music to get popular.

i remember a long time ago i guess welcome home sanitarium off of master of puppets got popular on the radio i guess and i didn't want to hear it 6 times a day every day for 6 months, maybe if the fkn waps would have played other songs off of the album also and equally then i would have been very happy.

there are also other reasons.

That is a great point actually. There are a ton of songs on my favorite albums that I skip over now because of overkill on the radio. Best example is my #1 album Ten by Pearl Jam. I love Alive, Evenflow, and Jeremy...but I've heard all of them so much that I hardly ever listen to them anymore. Kind of sad actually.

But still, I would never wish my favorite indie bands to not become popular just cause it's cooler when they're more underground. If a band is really good I wish for them to have the success I think they've earned.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

RoundTheBend — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:25:34 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 04/10/2012 16:25

kidamnesiac wrote:

Touché. That would be the best reason for not wanting good music to be taken up into the "Machine." But to not like music because it is mainstream is a joke. I would argue that 80-90% of the BEA albums were mainstream or somewhat mainstream releases. Otherwise the aggregate would be off, right?

Oh and the Pumpkins are not a joke in every sense. Billy Corgan can be a joke, but his music has never been a joke. Some better than others, yes, but not a joke.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

kidamnesiac — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:52:58 GMT

Author: kidamnesiac

Posted: 04/10/2012 15:52

yes pearljammer i understand what you are saying but in defense of some of the hipsters there are a couple of reasons why people don't want certain music to get popular.

i remember a long time ago i guess welcome home sanitarium off of master of puppets got popular on the radio i guess and i didn't want to hear it 6 times a day every day for 6 months, maybe if the fkn waps would have played other songs off of the album also and equally then i would have been very happy.

there are also other reasons.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Applerill — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:39:04 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 04/10/2012 15:39

pearljammer13 wrote:

Yes, which is why I rarely listen to the radio, but that's not my point. My point is if a band is popular enough to receive radio play, it doesn't mean you can no longer like them. The hipsters that like bands until they become popular piss me off, that was my point.

Yeah, though I think it's completely okay to brag that you liked a band before they became popular. You sought them out when it was difficult to find them, and you should take pride in that.

Not liking someone anymore, though, is completely dumb.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

pearljammer13 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:20 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 04/10/2012 15:37

And also, I agree the the Pumpkins are a joke NOW...but I will always think that they put out 2 of the greatest albums ever recorded. And Gish was pretty damn good as well.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

pearljammer13 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:36:05 GMT

Author: pearljammer13

Posted: 04/10/2012 15:36

kidamnesiac wrote:

pearl jammer that is the problem, if the radio plays a lot of garbage, then if you listen to it you end up listening to a lot of garbage.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

Applerill — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:26:15 GMT

Author: Applerill

Posted: 04/10/2012 15:26

purple wrote:

Smashing Pumpkins are a joke, in every aspect

Zeitgeist was a great album.

Re: The Hipper - Than -Thou

paladisiac — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:53:01 GMT

Author: paladisiac

Posted: 04/10/2012 14:53

purple wrote:

Smashing Pumpkins are a joke, in every aspect

True since the band fell apart and this has been a Corgan machine, somewhere around Machina.