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Re: When bands hit their peak

Error Finn — Thu, 31 May 2012 10:19:29 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/31/2012 14:19

Eggman/Walrus/Taxman wrote:

I guess Error Finn was not saying that it was his most popular work (it's true that those films are all possibly more popular), but giving a real life example where a friend of theirs, who, I guess, had only watched Full Metal Jacket because it may have been a newly released film at that time, and very popular, and that person didn't have much knowledge of older movies, so they were surprised to learn that Kubrick had made many movies before.

Yes, this is what I meant. I do not mean that the FMJ is Kubric the best (or not), or the most popular film, but it was at that moment (1987), the most visible position. Kubrick's last three films (The Shining, FMJ, EWS) have been made during the era of the so-called video. Barry Lyndon (=peak) (1975) were watching the main movie theater. The video era films spread more widely for human consumption.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Wed, 30 May 2012 23:04:23 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/31/2012 03:04

Eggman/Walrus/Taxman wrote:

Oh, gotcha. I guess that's a good point.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Facetious — Wed, 30 May 2012 22:54:35 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 05/31/2012 02:54

swedenman wrote:

True, but I'm a little confused as to why Full Metal Jacket was selected as Kubrick's most popular work. I can literally think of 5 Kubrick films off the top of my head that were more popular (2001: A Space Odyssey, The Shining, Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, and A Clockwork Orange). Certainly the title of most popular Kubrick film would go to one of those five?

Not that Full Metal Jacket isn't also a wonderful movie...

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Wed, 30 May 2012 22:48:35 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/31/2012 02:48

Eggman/Walrus/Taxman wrote:

Oh, I now understand. Cool 😎

I think you made some good points in your post. Like how many don't know about Miles Davis' debut, and Stanley Kubrick's first film, because their later works were more famous.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Facetious — Wed, 30 May 2012 22:39:46 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 05/31/2012 02:39

Error Finn wrote:

Good 😁 Sorry my "error english" but I mean this: A brand (I used brandy 😎 ) is a "Name, term, design, symbol, or any other feature that identifies one seller's good or service as distinct from those of other sellers." Branding began as a way to tell one person's cattle from another by means of a hot iron stamp. -wiki-

Re: When bands hit their peak

Error Finn — Wed, 30 May 2012 16:05:19 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/30/2012 20:05

Eggman/Walrus/Taxman wrote:

I have an idea of what Error Finn is saying, that Kind of Blue and Full Metal Jacket are among the most famous works of their respective creators, and that often these famous works can overshadow their earlier works, so people are surprised when they learn of those earlier works that were created before the popular ones. I don't know what brandy has got to do with it.

Re: When bands hit their peak

paladisiac — Wed, 30 May 2012 14:46:16 GMT

Author: paladisiac

Posted: 05/30/2012 18:46

i try to only see an artist in concert when they've hit their peak. of course, that's easier to (subjectively) judge in hindsight.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Facetious — Wed, 30 May 2012 08:23:05 GMT

Author: Facetious

Posted: 05/30/2012 12:23

40footwolf wrote:

Dude, you have got to find a better online translator. I have only the vaguest notion of what you're talking about.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Wed, 30 May 2012 04:53:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/30/2012 08:53

I think weezer hit they're commercial peak with the blue Album but Pinkerton was their most artistically successful (or perhaps most honest) album

Re: When bands hit their peak

Hayden — Tue, 15 May 2012 19:10:22 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/15/2012 23:10

40footwolf wrote:

Dude, you have got to find a better online translator. I have only the vaguest notion of what you're talking about.

Good, I'm not the only one who didn't understand a word of that 🤣

Re: When bands hit their peak

40footwolf — Tue, 15 May 2012 19:02:37 GMT

Author: 40footwolf

Posted: 05/15/2012 23:02

Error Finn wrote:

Artists who peaked on their 20th album (1):
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (1959)

This is a good example of a peak or brandy, which is created after the death of artist (1991). The album was written in so-called rock magazines, which marked the presentation of the general public. The album was until then been the only jazz enthusiasts alike ode. When it was added to Miles Davis' role in rock type (fusion) jazz, was ready to drink brandy. The same brandy legend has grown in the case of Stanley Kubrick. When someone a younger movie friend (like myself) who saw the film Full Metal Jacket (1987), was certainly surprised that this gentleman has been making films for over 30 years! Tell me what is Davis' first album, and what is Kubrick's debut film? Those could not be the most popular!
Those bands, which are at the top of its debut with, have created the band's trademark.

Dude, you have got to find a better online translator. I have only the vaguest notion of what you're talking about.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Hayden — Tue, 15 May 2012 17:50:39 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 05/15/2012 21:50

Mother Nature's Son wrote:

Weird. I thought ¨Funeral¨ was Arcade Fire's second album. What I thought was their debut-album happens to be just an EP. A really long EP actually, more than 30 minutes! Haven't heard it though!

It's pretty good 😄 I prefer the version of No Cars Go from the EP than Neon Bible.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Mother Nature's Son — Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:34 GMT

Author: Mother Nature's Son

Posted: 05/15/2012 21:43

Weird. I thought ¨Funeral¨ was Arcade Fire's second album. What I thought was their debut-album happens to be just an EP. A really long EP actually, more than 30 minutes! Haven't heard it though!

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:24:24 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/15/2012 20:24

lethalnezzle wrote:

I actually think with rock, pop, indie and hip-hop acts, the debut album is often likely to overshadow later output. This is because a band's debut album is usually the culmination of years of work and ideas without any outside pressure. Then, once a debut album is released to critical and/or commercial acclaim, there is pressure from fans, critics and labels - as well as time constraints. Say a band or artist works for seven or eight years, writing hundreds of songs, before they get discovered. They can then pick the best of those songs from which to create a debut album. However, if a new album is expected 18 months after the release of the first album, they have less time to write as many songs. Add in the pressure of expectation, and the time limitations of publicity/touring etc., and it stands to reason that the second album will not live up to the high standards set by the debut.

You find it is often bands and artists universally regarded as geniuses who continue to better themselves - the Dylans, Beatles, Neil Youngs, Radioheads, Springsteens of this world.

Yes, this was what I always thought. It kinda makes you wonder how bands who peaked on their 2nd album managed to pull it off :/

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:22:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/15/2012 20:22

Vandentop wrote:

What do we consider a peak? An artistic or a commercial peak?

swedenman wrote:

I took each of our current top 50 artists and put them into a list based on the point in their career where they reached their peak (according to our charts).

For the purposes of this thread, an artist's "peak" is considered to be the album of theirs that is highest on our charts. Otherwise it's very subjective.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:20:08 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/15/2012 20:20

I actually think with rock, pop, indie and hip-hop acts, the debut album is often likely to overshadow later output. This is because a band's debut album is usually the culmination of years of work and ideas without any outside pressure. Then, once a debut album is released to critical and/or commercial acclaim, there is pressure from fans, critics and labels - as well as time constraints. Say a band or artist works for seven or eight years, writing hundreds of songs, before they get discovered. They can then pick the best of those songs from which to create a debut album. However, if a new album is expected 18 months after the release of the first album, they have less time to write as many songs. Add in the pressure of expectation, and the time limitations of publicity/touring etc., and it stands to reason that the second album will not live up to the high standards set by the debut.

You find it is often bands and artists universally regarded as geniuses who continue to better themselves - the Dylans, Beatles, Neil Youngs, Radioheads, Springsteens of this world.

Re: When bands hit their peak

Anonymous — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:03:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 05/15/2012 20:03

I think Radiohead hit their peak at 9.52am on the 17th February 2004.

Re: When bands hit their peak

paladisiac — Tue, 15 May 2012 14:53:04 GMT

Author: paladisiac

Posted: 05/15/2012 18:53

I contest Radiohead's artistic peak was a combination of "ok computer" and "kid a".

Re: When bands hit their peak

Vandentop — Tue, 15 May 2012 14:45:18 GMT

Author: Vandentop

Posted: 05/15/2012 18:45

What do we consider a peak? An artistic or a commercial peak?

Re: When bands hit their peak

Error Finn — Fri, 11 May 2012 17:19:59 GMT

Author: Error Finn

Posted: 05/11/2012 21:19

Artists who peaked on their 20th album (1):
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (1959)

This is a good example of a peak or brandy, which is created after the death of artist (1991). The album was written in so-called rock magazines, which marked the presentation of the general public. The album was until then been the only jazz enthusiasts alike ode. When it was added to Miles Davis' role in rock type (fusion) jazz, was ready to drink brandy. The same brandy legend has grown in the case of Stanley Kubrick. When someone a younger movie friend (like myself) who saw the film Full Metal Jacket (1987), was certainly surprised that this gentleman has been making films for over 30 years! Tell me what is Davis' first album, and what is Kubrick's debut film? Those could not be the most popular!
Those bands, which are at the top of its debut with, have created the band's trademark.