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Re: Mixed Nationality

albummaster — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:04:19 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/29/2012 11:04

andy_hunter wrote:

While we're on this subject, how do we judge artists from Northern Ireland on this? I've noticed a good few bands on this that I would defiantly count as Irish who are put down under Britain. Not that I'm particularly nationalistic or anything, I'm just wondering what some of these artists would think of being called British.

All Northern Ireland acts are currently marked as UK not Britain (UK includes N.Ireland but Britain does not). It might all be separated in the future into the different constituent countries, but at the moment, everything is held at UK level.

Re: Mixed Nationality

videoheadcleaner — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 06:16:06 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 08/29/2012 10:16

Maybe the UK needs to be separated into Scotland, England, N. Ireland and Wales?

Re: Mixed Nationality

andy_hunter — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:37:32 GMT

Author: andy_hunter

Posted: 08/28/2012 20:37

While we're on this subject, how do we judge artists from Northern Ireland on this? I've noticed a good few bands on this that I would defiantly count as Irish who are put down under Britain. Not that I'm particularly nationalistic or anything, I'm just wondering what some of these artists would think of being called British.

Re: Mixed Nationality

videoheadcleaner — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:46:41 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 08/28/2012 11:46

Thanks for the input guys.

Might change Dead Can Dance to Australian as this is the one that is bugging me the most.

Re: Mixed Nationality

albummaster — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:45:18 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 08/28/2012 06:45

I'm sure there's another thread where this has been discussed before 🤔

If there are two or more separate artists collaborating and they are from different countries, then it's usually marked as mixed, and that's probably why Neil Young & Crazy Horse were marked as mixed.

For individuals, their nationality is usually taken from their country of birth, or the country they grew up in. For bands, it's not always easy to determine, but mostly the national make-up of the band is used, or the location of where the band was formed (whichever seems correct for the particular circumstance).

Yes, the 'band' label was originally done for SEO as people search more for 'best rock band' etc more than they do for 'artist', but I'd consider changing it if it bugs people too much.

Re: Mixed Nationality

RFNAPLES — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:38:14 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 08/27/2012 17:38

Nationality is hard to determine in today's mobile society. Do we look at the makeup of the band or where they call home? Do we look at the proportions of nationalities? What if a classical orchestra housed in its city namesake had a "foreigner" in the orchestra, would it really be mixed nationality? Do we consider the birthplace of an artist, their citizenship (what if they have dual citizenship)? What about an older musician who has lived and recorded in many places yet still is a citizen of just one country in which he hasn't resided in years?

Re: Mixed Nationality

RFNAPLES — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:31:55 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 08/27/2012 17:31

harkan wrote:

Slightly off topic, should newly added bands be changed to newly added artists?

I think albummaster has chosen band over artist for perceived SEO

Re: Mixed Nationality

lightmyway — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:07:18 GMT

Author: lightmyway

Posted: 08/27/2012 15:07

Hayden wrote:

Yeah. I've thought about this a few times. Only collaborations should be put under 'mixed', not bands.

I agree with this.

Re: Mixed Nationality

videoheadcleaner — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:31:11 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 08/27/2012 07:31

Unless there is an option with mixed nationality that you select where they formed or most pronounced nationality in group.

Slightly off topic, should newly added bands be changed to newly added artists?

Re: Mixed Nationality

Hayden — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:28:02 GMT

Author: Hayden

Posted: 08/26/2012 15:28

Yeah. I've thought about this a few times. Only collaborations should be put under 'mixed', not bands.

Etc, Stan Getz and João Gilberto, Brian Eno & David Byrne, Robert Plant And Alison Krauss, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Billy Brag & Wilco.

Stuff like Garbage, Dead Can Dance, The Pretenders, Derek & The Dominoes, Little Joy, Foreigner, Gong, Art Brut,

And Rufus Wainwright is Canadian, and not a band, but born in the USA.... 🤔 Which is a bit confusing. Slick Rick has the same problem.

Mixed Nationality

videoheadcleaner — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:35:02 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 08/25/2012 11:35

Just a query as it is something that I have noticed more recently.

The option of Mixed Nationality is a good idea but do we need to think it over?

1) Neil Young And Crazy Horse - Canadian / American
2) Dead Can Dance - Australian / English
3) Foreigner - English / American

With 1, an obvious difference and Neil Young generally overshadows Crazy Horse in the collaboration.

With 2 and 3, the bands consist of half of one and half of the the other. Foreigner has an American singer and formed in the US but the majority of the band is English. Dead Can Dance formed in Aus but now works primarily in England.

Do we keep it muddled or start to think of the band's origin rather than the collective sum of their members?