Best Ever Albums

Re: Music

Defago — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:29:04 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 02/05/2013 18:29

Yourselfisntsteam wrote:

This will probably just open more questions, but:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/

Thanks!

I also have some textbooks on the matter, I'll look for a pdf version and send them, if anyone is interested.

Re: Music

Anonymous — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:20:20 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/05/2013 18:20

Yourselfisntsteam wrote:

This will probably just open more questions, but:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/

Thanks! Very short. I'll get to read it in the coming holiday, unless the language becomes too tough (I've no experience with university texts in foreign language)

Re: Music

Anonymous — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:04:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/05/2013 14:04

Borve Baunehoj wrote:

Does anybody have an insightful essay/paper/text/definition/whatever on what art may be? I've got no idea about what it is, but I don't deny the existence of it

This will probably just open more questions, but:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/

Re: Music

Defago — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:58:39 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 02/05/2013 13:58

harkan wrote:

Art is what critics adore and consider worthy of being of public concern

art is what everyone can do, from fingerpainting to music creation, that is for enjoyment and entertainment.

The differentiation between Art and craft is interesting when applied to music. I mean, when talking about plastic arts it's easy to differentiate between a painting and a chair, but how can you say one album is a work of art and another is done for income? Is it possible to differentiate between them? Or does it just lay in the creator's intentions regardless of what the final product is?

Re: Music

ButterThumbz — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:35:47 GMT

Author: ButterThumbz

Posted: 02/05/2013 11:35

purple wrote:

I wouldn't hold music aesthetically higher than traditional art, literature, performance art, film, etc. but it is certainly the art that I spend the most time with. It certainly has the ability to bring me up and down emotionally, as those other artforms do. I don't even remotely consider innovation or originality when listening to music, but simply how it sounds and the content of the lyrics (if there are any). As far as the whole objectivity thing, I feel that it is silly to believe anything other than that an individual's perception of music (or any other art) is subjective; you can statistically approach a general consensus, as this site does for music, but that will still never please everyone.

As usual, purple says it all.

I would only dare to add that I'm intrigued by innovation, but then again, if that innovation didn't appeal to my sensibilities I probably wouldn't consider it innovative.

Re: Music

RoundTheBend — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 05:49:01 GMT

Author: RoundTheBend

Posted: 02/05/2013 10:49

Music has been a major part of my life, all my life. I am grateful to my parents to not have grown up in the disco age, but the birth of rock n' roll. My parents are the ones that got me into late 50s rock n' roll, especially the "greats" that started the whole thing: Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Elvis, etc. Then, while they were teenagers/in college, they were listening to stuff like The Beatles/Stones and Quicksilver Messenger Service/Iron Butterfly. My dad even went to Altamont and saw The Allman Brothers Band play in some park, unannounced. Sly and The Family Stone and Steve Miller Band to add to the list.

From my Grandpa, I got big into Glenn Miller. First and only box set I bought was Glen Miller.

My brother is a unique person and hates modern music. So from him I got classical music. When he went off to USC to study classical music, I lived with him and he got me into the Silverlake Music Conservatory. We would talk A LOT about music theory/history etc. It was fun because we both got to learn and appreciate my love for modern music and his for "art music". please see my every growing "art music" chart for what I have learned from those experiences.

When I was about 12-16, I was home a lot alone. Luckily my parents had this giant Sony sound system that was a bit less fancy than this one pictured. It had a record player, tape player, and a CD player.

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I listened to a good 2-4 hours of music a day on this thing. It was during this time that I found my love (influenced by my oldest brother and youngest sister) for late 80s/early 90s alternative music. R.E.M., U2, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, etc.

Then moving to Los Angeles (around the same time my bro went to USC) I got into whatever you want to call the stuff from the 2000s were.

I have played bass since I was 14 when this prodigy guitar player asked me to learn it to play with him. He could play Beethoven's Für Elise on his guitar.

I also have seen quite a few shows and love live music.

Re: Music

videoheadcleaner — Tue, 5 Feb 2013 03:42:37 GMT

Author: videoheadcleaner

Posted: 02/05/2013 08:42

Borve Baunehoj wrote:

Does anybody have an insightful essay/paper/text/definition/whatever on what art may be? I've got no idea about what it is, but I don't deny the existence of it

Art is what critics adore and consider worthy of being of public concern

art is what everyone can do, from fingerpainting to music creation, that is for enjoyment and entertainment.

Re: Music

nitro2k11 — Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:56:26 GMT

Author: nitro2k11

Posted: 02/04/2013 22:56

SilverWalrus wrote:

Music is my life. If I can't live the rest of my life with making music in some form as my primary focus, I will consider my life a failure. Everything I ever feel has a musical equivalent to it, and any emotion I ever have I process with music. I literally could not function without music. I feel like looking at music should be mainly subjective since it is a subjective form of media, but there should be some objective reasoning into liking certain bands and albums. But yeah, music, I love it.

That.

Re: Music

Anonymous — Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:31:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 21:31

thejoj96 wrote:

Why does the narwhal bacon?

To get to the other side. 😁

Re: Music

alelsupreme — Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:47:38 GMT

Author: alelsupreme

Posted: 02/04/2013 16:47

musics pretty cool

Re: Music

Anonymous — Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:32:57 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 14:32

thejoj96 wrote:

Why does the narwhal bacon?

WHEN does the narwhal bacon...

And, midnight.

Re: Music

Anonymous — Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:54:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 13:54

Does anybody have an insightful essay/paper/text/definition/whatever on what art may be? I've got no idea about what it is, but I don't deny the existence of it

Re: Music

Defago — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 23:04:40 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 02/04/2013 04:04

Music is the art form which speaks the most to me. I find it to be one of the most abstract art forms. I hold music above other art forms, but that's mostly because I'm very ignorant of the other branches of art. Music affects my daily life enormously - most of the time I'm either listening to music, talking about music, playing music or thinking about music.

I believe music has objective qualities. However, these objective qualities aren't "good" or "bad" by themselves, but gain significance on the mind of the listener. So we can objectively say "this song is longer/louder/morecomplex/higherpitched/slower/moredifficulttounderstand" but that's not intrinsically good or bad. So yeah, there's not one best ever album which's name is written in stone, but rather one favorite album for each person which changes over time. Therefore, the closest we can get to speaking about objectivity is BEA - the sum of (almost) everyone's opinion.

Scaruffi's a dick, but he has good taste.

Something I've been pondering about lately: Is ALL music art? What defines a song/album/piece as a piece of art? The "artiness" of something is defined by the creator or the beholder?

Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:20:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 03:20

thejoj96 wrote:

i lel
but i heard some kids at my school say that question and i thought it was kind of cool so i posted it here
you can call me a butthurt redditard if you believe i am so but i am just explaining the reason for my post

Nah, I mean I go on imgur a lot which is pretty much reddit. Your persona screams /b/ though, so I just thought it was funny that you used a trademark reddit meme (given the relationship between those two boards) and posted accordingly.

Anyways, on topic. I wouldn't hold music aesthetically higher than traditional art, literature, performance art, film, etc. but it is certainly the art that I spend the most time with. It certainly has the ability to bring me up and down emotionally, as those other artforms do. I don't even remotely consider innovation or originality when listening to music, but simply how it sounds and the content of the lyrics (if there are any). As far as the whole objectivity thing, I feel that it is silly to believe anything other than that an individual's perception of music (or any other art) is subjective; you can statistically approach a general consensus, as this site does for music, but that will still never please everyone.

Re: Music

Jasonconfused — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:08:50 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 02/04/2013 03:08

Music is easily the most important thing in my life. I can see myself giving up most things in life if I absolutely needed to. Music is not one of those things. It's brought new meaning to my life.

Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:03:22 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 03:03

SilverWalrus wrote:

Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:02:40 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 03:02

Music is my life. If I can't live the rest of my life with making music in some form as my primary focus, I will consider my life a failure. Everything I ever feel has a musical equivalent to it, and any emotion I ever have I process with music. I literally could not function without music. I feel like looking at music should be mainly subjective since it is a subjective form of media, but there should be some objective reasoning into liking certain bands and albums. But yeah, music, I love it.

Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:57:22 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 02:57

purple wrote:

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Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:54:23 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 02:54

Music is an art form that one can not only listen to and be touched by, but one you can MOVE to, in another art form called DANCE. You can't MOVE to a play, or a painting, or a poem. That's what makes music different from everything else.

I've always been a big music lover, and I can't believe I know people who aren't into music. Music had always been a big part of society, and it's been a part of my life ever since I saw my first Disney movie, then my first Kansas album, then another thing and another thing.

thejoj96 wrote:

Do you believe that subjective opinions on music should be based on objective qualities?

Only if you're going for a critic perspective, and not an enjoyment perspective.

btw, I think this is a genius thread, Joj! �'�

Re: Music

Anonymous — Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:51:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/04/2013 02:51

thejoj96 wrote:

When does the narwhal bacon?

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