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Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Jasonconfused — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:21:10 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/10/2013 22:21

Borve Baunehoj wrote:

Iommi and Butler tuned their strings one and a half step down. All the cool bands of doom-, sludge- and stoner metal probably listened more to Master of Reality than their two previous. I'm not saying that Master of Reality was their most influental album overall (I have no idea), but I believe that Master of Reality helped shaping certain movements in metal

That's a fair point.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:18:12 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 22:18

Jasonconfused wrote:

This is a good list, only objection I have is this: There's no way that Master of Reality changed music or even metal more than their eponymous debut and Paranoid.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:43:04 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 21:43

Norman Bates wrote:

I'm right there with you as far as Rakim is concerned, as well you know. Still, couldn't be the fact that this is a French list be a reason for its absence? French-speaking people are bound to be less knowledgeable as far as rapping abilities are concerned.

That's a very good point I hadn't considered. Would certainly make sense if that was the case.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Norman Bates — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:12:40 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 03/10/2013 21:12

I'm right there with you as far as Rakim is concerned, as well you know. Still, couldn't be the fact that this is a French list be a reason for its absence? French-speaking people are bound to be less knowledgeable as far as rapping abilities are concerned.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:42:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 19:42

Norman Bates wrote:

Four years ago, the French magazine "Volume" (now dead) published a list of the 200 records they thought "had changed rock music" (to be taken in the broadest sens of the term). I've just dug it up, and I'll copy and paste it here. Some records are on this chronological list because of the influence they had on French music, so don't be surprised if you don't know them. By records, the magazine meant albums or singles btw. I like this list.

This is an infinitely superior list to The Guardian's, though I find the exclusion of Paid In Full bizarre. It may not be the most influential or seminal album musically, but Rakim virtually single-handedly changed the way people thought about rapping, and subsequently how people rapped. But the failure to include that album doesn't stop this from being a great list. In terms of the amount of stuff this list covers in such a small amount of releases, I'd recommend it ahead of most other lists of its ilk. It's a damning indictment of the current state of the printed press - and the public's subsequent (un)willingness to support the industry - that a magazine with this sort of taste and knowledge is now defunct.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:37:02 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 19:37

3 albums that helped pave the way to heavy metal:
LZ4
Paranoid
Machine Head

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Norman Bates — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:36:39 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 03/10/2013 19:36

Jasonconfused wrote:

This is a good list, only objection I have is this: There's no way that Master of Reality changed music or even metal more than their eponymous debut and Paranoid.

I don't remember what reason they gave for the choice (for each choice was commented of coure), I'll try and dig it up and I'll tell you what.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Jasonconfused — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:35:30 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/10/2013 19:35

Norman Bates wrote:

Black Sabbath Master of reality (1971)

This is a good list, only objection I have is this: There's no way that Master of Reality changed music or even metal more than their eponymous debut and Paranoid.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Norman Bates — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:29:54 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 03/10/2013 19:29

Four years ago, the French magazine "Volume" (now dead) published a list of the 200 records they thought "had changed rock music" (to be taken in the broadest sens of the term). I've just dug it up, and I'll copy and paste it here. Some records are on this chronological list because of the influence they had on French music, so don't be surprised if you don't know them. By records, the magazine meant albums or singles btw. I like this list.

Blind Willie Johnson Dark was the night, cold was the ground (1927)
Robert Johnson Love in vain (1937)
Billie Holiday Strange fruit (1939)
Hank Williams Move it on over (1947)

Anthology of American Folk Music (compilation – 1952)
Elvis Presley The Sun sessions (1954-55)
Little Richard Tutti frutti (1955)
Johnny Cash I walk the line (1956)
Chuck Berry Roll over Beethoven (1956)
Gene Vincent Be-bop-a-lula (1956)
Bo Diddley Bo Diddley (1957)
Buddy Holly Peggy Sue (1957)
Joao Gilberto Chega de saudade (1958)
Ray Charles The Genius of Ray Charles (1959)

James Brown Live at The Apollo (1963)
The Ronettes Be my baby (1963)
John Coltrane A love supreme (1964)
The Who My generation (1965)
Bob Dylan Bringing it all back home (1965)
The Rolling Stones Satisfaction (1965)
Nuggets : original artyfacts from the first psychedelic era, 1965-1968 (compilation, 1972)
The Mothers of Invention Freak out! (1966)
The Beach Boys Pet sounds (1966)
The Byrds Eight miles high (1966)
Fred Neil Fred Neil (1966)
Ike & Tina Turner River deep, mountain high (1966)
The Beatles Revolver (1966)
Love Forever changes (1967)
The Doors The Doors (1967)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience Are you experienced (1967)
Aretha Franklin Respect (1967)
Pierre Henry & Michel Colombier Messe pour le temps présent (1967)
The Velvet Underground & Nico The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
Ennio Morricone Il était une fois dans l’ouest (1968)
Dr. John Gris-gris (1968)
The Kinks The Village Green Preservation Society (1968)
Scott Walker Scott 4 (1968)
Nancy Sinatra & Lee Hazlewood Nancy & Lee (1968)
Leonard Cohen Songs of Leonard Cohen (1968)
Tropicalia : Ou Panis & Circensis (compilation, 1968)
Silver Apples Silver Apples (1968)
Moondog Moondog (1969)
MC5 Kick out the jams (1969)
King Crimson In the court of the crimson king (1969)
Fairport Convention Liege & lief (1969)
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin (1969)
The Stooges The Stooges (1969)
Nick Drake Five leaves left (1969)
Captain Beefheart Trout mask replica (1969)
Isaac Hayes Hot buttered soul (1969)

Miles Davis Bitches brew (1970)
The Last Poets The Last Poets (1970)
Curtis Mayfield Curtis (1970)
Syd Barrett The Madcap laughs (1970)
Carole King Tapestry (1970)
John Lennon Instant karma! (1970)
Gérard Manset La Mort d’orion (1970)
Creedence Clearwater Revival Cosmo’s factory (1971)
Sly & The Family Stone There’s a riot goin’ on (1971)
Marvin Gaye What’s going on (1971)
Serge Gainsbourg Histoire de Melody Nelson (1971)
Michel Polnareff Polnareff’s (1971)
Joni Mitchell Blue (1971)
Black Sabbath Master of reality (1971)
T.Rex Electric warrior (1971)
Gil Scott-Heron Small talk at 125th and Lennox (1972)
Roxy Music Roxy Music (1972)
Big Star #1 record (1972)
Todd Rundgren Something/Anything (1972)
Archie Shepp Attica blues (1972)
David Bowie The Rise & fall of Ziggy Stardust and the spiders from Mars (1972)
Neil Young Harvest (1972)
Lou Reed Transformer (1972)
The Temptations Papa was a rolling stone (1972)
Can Future days (1973)
Al Green Call me (1973)
Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon (1973)
Elton John Goodbye yellow brick road (1973)
Stevie Wonder Innervisions (1973)
New York Dolls New York Dolls (1973)
Bob Marley & The Wailers Catch a fire (1973)
Robert Wyatt Rock bottom (1974)
Steely Dan Pretzel logic (1974)
King Tubby Dub from the roots (1974)
Kraftwerk Autobahn (1974)
Patti Smith Horses (1975)
Queen Bohemian rhapsody (1975)
Bruce Springsteen Born to run (1975)
AC/DC High voltage (1976)
Abba Dancing queen (1976)
Ramones Ramones (1976)
Fela & Africa 70 Zombie (1976)
Fleetwood Mac Rumours (1977)
Suicide Suicide (1977)
Television Marquee moon (1977)
The Congos Heart of The Congos (1977)
Throbbing Gristle The Second annual report of Throbbing Gristle (1977)
Donna Summer I feel love (1977)
Sex Pistols Never mind the bollocks here’s the Sex Pistols (1977)
No New York (compilation, 1977)
Wire Pink flag (1977)
Chic Le Freak (1978)
The Fall Totally wired (1978)
Blondie Parallel lines (1978)
The Human League Travelogue (1978)
Funkadelic One nation under a groove (1978)
Buzzcocks Ever fallen in love (with someone you shouldn’t’ve) (1978)
Sun Ra Disco 3000 (1978)
Buggles Video killed the radio star (1979)
Gang Of Four Entertainment! (1979)
Public Image Ltd Metal box (1979)
Joy Division Unknown pleasures (1979)
The Clash London calling (1979)

Young Marble Giants Colossal youth (1980)
The Jam Going underground (1980)
Talking Heads Remain in light (1980)
Métal Urbain Les Hommes morts sont dangereux (1980)
David Byrne & Brian Eno My life in the bush of ghosts (1980)
Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia (1980)
Taxi Girl Cherchez le garçon (1980)
Laurie Anderson O Superman (1981)
The Specials Ghost town (1981)
Depeche Mode Speak & spell (1981)
Afrika Bambaataa Planet rock (1982)
Cybotron Clear (1982)
Grandmaster Flash White lines (1982)
Alain Bashung Play blessures (1982)
The Cure Pornography (1982)
Michael Jackson Thriller (1982)
XTC English settlement (1982)
R.E.M. Murmur (1983)
The Smiths This charming man (1983)
New Order Blue Monday (1983)
Hüsker Dü Zen arcade (1984)
Madonna Like a virgin (1984)
Kate Bush Hounds of love (1985)
The Jesus & Mary Chain Psychocandy (1985)
Arthur Russell Let’s go swimming (1986)
Les Rita Mitsouko The No comprendo (1986)
Bad Brains I against I (1986)
M/A/R/R/S Pump up the volume (1987)
Prince Sign O the times (1987)
U2 The Joshua tree (1987)
Sonic Youth Daydream nation (1988)
Public Enemy It takes a nation of millions to hold us back (1988)
N.W.A. Straight outta Compton (1989)
Pixies Doolittle (1989)
De La Soul Three feet high and rising (1989)
Lil’ Louis French kiss (1989)
Mano Negra Puta’s fever (1989)
The Stone Roses The Stone Roses (1989)

Fugazi Repeater (1990)
The KLF What time is love? (1990)
Primal Scream Loaded (1990)
Rapattitude (compilation, 1990)
Talk Talk Laughing stock (1991)
Massive Attack Blue lines (1991)
Nirvana Nevermind (1991)
Slint Spiderland (1991)
My Bloody Valentine Loveless (1991)
Dominique A. La Fossette (1992)
Dr. Dre The Chronic (1992)
Pavement Slanted and enchanted (1992)
Beastie Boys Check your head (1992)
PJ Harvey Dry (1992)
Noir Désir Tostaky (1992)
Palace Brothers There is no one what will take care of you (1993)
Wu-Tang Clan Enter the Wu-Tang, 36 chambers (1993)
Beck Loser (1993)
Jeff Buckley Grace (1994)
Blur Parklife (1994)
Portishead Dummy (1994)
Basic Channel (compilation, 1995)
Radiohead The Bends (1995)
Miossec Boire (1995)
The Chemical Brothers Exit planet dust (1995)
Aphex Twin The Richard D. James lp (1996)
DJ Shadow Endtroducing (1996)
Carl Craig More songs about food and revolutionary art (1997)
Elliott Smith Either/or (1997)
Björk Homogenic (1997)
Daft Punk Homework (1997)
Missy Elliott Supa dupa fly (1997)
Plastikman Consumed (1998)
Music for the advancement of hip-hop (compilation Anticon, 1998)
Air Moon safari (1998)
Boards Of Canada Music has the right to children (1998)

Godspeed You! Black Emperor Levez vos skinny fists like antennaes to heaven (2000)
OutKast Stankonia (2000)
LCD Soundsystem Losing my edge (2001)
The Strokes Is this it (2001)
Diplo Florida (2002)
NERD In search of… (2002)
The Libertines Up the bracket (2002)
The Streets Original pirate material (2002)
The White Stripes Elephant (2003)
Arcade Fire Funeral (2004)
Sufjan Stevens Come on feel the Illinoise (2005)
Burial Untrue (2007)

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Jasonconfused — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:52:55 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/10/2013 17:52

purple wrote:

The Damned, who released the first punk album (yes, before Nevermind the Bollocks), wanted nothing more than to be the MC5. The Sex Pistols cited the Stooges. All the english punk bands, including the Clash, cited reggae as a primary influence.

As for the CBGB scene... Do you think that the three-chord rhythms of the Ramones came from Trout Mask? Do you think that the 60s girl pop inspired Blondie came from Trout Mask? Do you think that the entirely melodic, eno-inspired (early) Talking Heads came from the dissonant Trout Mask? Do you think the admittedly jazz-inspired Television came from the Trout Mask?

Blues didn't even enter the punk realm until the L.A. scene. Even then, Gun Club, X, the Blasters, and others didn't cite Trout Mask. Black Flag, whose dissonant freestyling solos on My War and later work might be construed as a Trout Mask reference, cited jazz explicitly for their guitar solos.

There isn't one goddamn punk interview or feature I've ever read where Trout Mask is cited as an inspiration. If you mean post-punk, I can maybe see the potential influence on albums like Entertainment! or Deceit.

Just because you hear an influence in someone's sound doesn't mean it's actually an influence.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trout Mask is great and incredibly influential, but you picked the entirely wrong field of music to place its influence on. Punk Rock started in Detroit, end story.

Fair enough. You're more knowledgable on punk than I am.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

ButterThumbz — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:08:46 GMT

Author: ButterThumbz

Posted: 03/10/2013 12:08

^ What he said.

Nice to see LFO's excellent Frequencies get a mention though.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 07:27:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 11:27

Meh, the list is full of massive oversimplifications, though The Guardian isn't a music-centric publication and subsequently be forgiven. 50 albums is nowhere near enough (and whoever said 15 would've sufficed is talking absolute bollocks), and some of the stuff written is just strange. For example:

Quote:

25 James Brown
Live at the Apollo (1963)

Without this ... great chunks of hip hop - which has sampled Brown more than almost any other - would be missing.

Without James Brown "great chunks of hip-hop" may be missing (although people would've just turned to something else), but this album is pretty inconsequential in terms of sampling. I love this album and it's been on my chart a few times, but to suggest it was heavily sampled when in fact they are referring to much later work of Brown's that didn't fit in with their narrative (songs like 'Funky President', 'The Payback' and, most notably, 'Funky Drummer') is ignorant at best, and disingenuous at worst.

More examples:

Quote:

34 Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath (1970)

Without this ... no Spinal Tap, no grunge or Kurt Cobain and, of course, no Osbournes.

If I were a metal fan I'd find that last bit insulting.

The list is bad. Very bad. But given the target market of The Guardian I don't think it really matters, and picking over it is a pointless exercise (not too mention it was published almost seven years ago, so is already really outdated). To be honest, the simplest way I can put it is this: I don't take any influential albums list that manages to shoehorn in three hip-hop albums without making room for Paid In Full seriously.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Charicature — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:06:39 GMT

Author: Charicature

Posted: 03/10/2013 09:06

thursdayeno wrote:

that is insane, 12 million albums and 50 is too much?

Gee, I get to suggest Perverse should have been on this list and I get to quote one of the songs, too, to explain his attitude 🤣

"All the things I read come from magazines. My concentration never was what it might have been. And I know that I'm impatient, but there really isn't time to have all these ideas going through my mind." 🤣

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Charicature — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:00:54 GMT

Author: Charicature

Posted: 03/10/2013 09:00

By their own standards, Jesus Jones' Perverse should have been on this list, fairly high up. It revolutionized music recording by not using a single analogue recording device - every instrument on it was recorded digitally. In the liner notes they don't even list the band members as playing certain instruments, but instead assign them a frequency range 🤣 Anyway, it was the first album to be recorded in this manner, and now almost all of them are recorded this way.

Far more of a change in music than half of those they listed.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 21:05:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 02:05

Jasonconfused wrote:

You're really going to argue that it didn't influence a lot of the attitude that you see in punk?

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Jasonconfused — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:51:41 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 03/10/2013 01:51

purple wrote:

You're really going to argue that it didn't influence a lot of the attitude that you see in punk?

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:15:26 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/10/2013 00:15

It feels like every "influential" list I've seen is culturally one-dimensional, and is closed-minded to at least 95% of the world.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

sheep21 — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:11:46 GMT

Author: sheep21

Posted: 03/10/2013 00:11

Jasonconfused wrote:

How so? I'd argue that there are even more than 50 albums that have changed music, and in a big way.

Yeah, but they should've just done 15 albums that largely changed music rather than ones that had limited effect but still effect.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

thursdayeno — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 19:02:56 GMT

Author: thursdayeno

Posted: 03/10/2013 00:02

Ochurch25 wrote:

How many of the 12 million albums have you heard of?
How many of them are iconic or extremely good?
How many of them influenced a lot of other bands?

are you seriously asking me those questions?

edit: my bad, you are only 15.

Re: 50 Albums That Changed Music

Anonymous — Sat, 9 Mar 2013 18:06:18 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/09/2013 23:06

Jasonconfused wrote:

Trout Mask Replica influenced pretty much all punk rock.