Best Ever Albums

Re: Greatest Rapper

Anonymous — Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:41:40 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/04/2009 02:41

'Nilla Ice. 'Nuff said.

Re: Greatest Rapper

teodor_matz — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:57:24 GMT

Author: teodor_matz

Posted: 11/24/2009 14:57

All Wu-Tang members
Nas
Q-Tip
Eminem
Kanye West
Big Boi
André 3000

Re: Greatest Rapper

RFNAPLES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:13:36 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 11/21/2009 02:13

Elston in case you don't like those rap albums, try this larger list of hip-hop, excuse the repeats:

2 Pac-All Eyez On Me
2 Pac-Greatest Hits
50 Cent-Get Rich Or Die Tryin’
50 Cent-The Massacre
B., Eric & Rakim-Paid In Full: Platinum Edition
Beastie Boys-Check Your Head
Beastie Boys-Licensed To Ill
Beastie Boys-Paul’s Boutique
Blige, Mary J.-My Life
Blige, Mary J.-What's The 411?
Blow, Kurtis-The Best Of Kurtis Blow
Cube, Ice-Amerikkka’s Most Wanted
Cube, Ice-Death Certificate
Cypress Hill-Cypress Hill
DMX-...& Then There Was X
Dre, Dr.-Dr. Dre 2001
Dre, Dr.-The Chronic
Elliott, Missy-Miss E... So Addictive
Elliott, Missy Misdemeanor-Supa Dupa Fly
Eminem-The Eminem Show
Eminem-The Marshall Mathers Lp
Fugees-The Score
Genius/GZA-Liquid Swords
Green, Cee-Lo-Cee-Lo Green Is The Soul Machine
Hammer-Please Hammer Don’t Hurt ‘Em
Hill, Lauryn -The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
J, L.L. Cool-All World
J, L.L. Cool-Radio
Jay-Z-The Blueprint
Killah, Ghostface-Fishscale
Madvillain-Madvillainy
N.W.A-Straight Outta Compton
Nelly-Country Grammar
Notorious B.I.G., The-Life After Death
Outkast-Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
Outkast-Stankonia
Public Enemy-Apocalypse 91...The Enemy Strikes Black
Public Enemy-Fear Of A Black Planet
Public Enemy-It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
Rascal, Dizzee-Boy In Da Corner
Rick, Slick-The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick
Roots, The-Phrenology
Run-D.M.C.-Raising Hell
Run-D.M.C.-Run-D.M.C.
Shadow, DJ-Endtroducing...
TLC-Crazysexycool
TLC-Fanmail
Tribe Called Quest, A-The Anthology
Tribe Called Quest, A-The Low End Theory
Various-Death Row Greatest Hits
West, Kanye-College Dropout
West, Kanye-Late Registration
Wu-Tang Clan-Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers

Re: Greatest Rapper

RFNAPLES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:01:57 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 11/21/2009 01:01

I don't need to explain anything to you. The list was augmented from the prior list. Let Elston decide by listening or sampling them, we don't need you to act as a filter or give your imprimatur. Stifle yourself JJ.

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:15:47 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 23:15

Explain your choices, because I don't think several of them fit what Elston is looking for.

Considering that it is the same list that you copied and pasted from the top rap albums thread, I doubt you put any thought into your recommendations. It's your stock rap list that I've seen several times.

But prove me wrong and explain your recommendations.

Re: Greatest Rapper

RFNAPLES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:57:18 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 11/20/2009 22:57

I was responding to a request from Elston. Please shut up! Go police the latrines. You are not the god you think you are.

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:50:46 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 22:50

RFNAPLES wrote:

Check these Rap albums out:

A Tribe Called Quest-The Low End Theory-1991
Beastie Boys-Check Your Head-1992
Beastie Boys-Licensed to Ill-1986
Beastie Boys-Paul's Boutique-1989
Cypress Hill-Cypress Hill-1991
Dr. Dre-The Chronic-1992
Eric B. & Rakim-Paid in Full: Platinum Edition-1998
Ice Cube-AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted-1990
Ice Cube-Death Certificate-1991
Kurtis Blow-The Best of Kurtis Blow-1994
LL Cool J-All World-1996
LL Cool J-Radio-1985
N.W.A-Straight Outta Compton-1988
Public Enemy-Apocalypse 91...The Enemy Strikes Black-1991
Public Enemy-Fear of a Black Planet-1990
Public Enemy-It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back-1988
Run-D.M.C.-Raising Hell-1986
Run-D.M.C.-Run-D.M.C.-1984
Slick Rick-The Great Adventures of Slick Rick-1988
Various-Death Row Greatest Hits-1996
Wu-Tang Clan-Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)-1993

Naples, this is a thread where we are discussing the skill and talent of rappers, not just listing hip-hop albums. Would you like to name some of your favorite rappers and tell us what you like about them?

Re: Greatest Rapper

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:34:21 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/20/2009 22:34

Cypress Hill are a great rap group! Their debut is one of their best too 😄

People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest is often overlooked in favor of their other albums. I think Q-Tip comes across outstanding on that record. Definitely worth a listen!

Re: Greatest Rapper

RFNAPLES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:54:08 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 11/20/2009 21:54

Check these Rap albums out:

A Tribe Called Quest-The Low End Theory-1991
Beastie Boys-Check Your Head-1992
Beastie Boys-Licensed to Ill-1986
Beastie Boys-Paul's Boutique-1989
Cypress Hill-Cypress Hill-1991
Dr. Dre-The Chronic-1992
Eric B. & Rakim-Paid in Full: Platinum Edition-1998
Ice Cube-AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted-1990
Ice Cube-Death Certificate-1991
Kurtis Blow-The Best of Kurtis Blow-1994
LL Cool J-All World-1996
LL Cool J-Radio-1985
N.W.A-Straight Outta Compton-1988
Public Enemy-Apocalypse 91...The Enemy Strikes Black-1991
Public Enemy-Fear of a Black Planet-1990
Public Enemy-It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back-1988
Run-D.M.C.-Raising Hell-1986
Run-D.M.C.-Run-D.M.C.-1984
Slick Rick-The Great Adventures of Slick Rick-1988
Various-Death Row Greatest Hits-1996
Wu-Tang Clan-Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)-1993

Re: Greatest Rapper

Elston — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:39:43 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 11/20/2009 21:39

Well, as I'm just getting into rap I would be interested in hearing some recommendations. My fav. album so far I guess is Illmatic, which I imagine is a relatively straight-forward and mainstream work. I'd love to hear more albums like that, with good introspective/dynamic lyrics and great multi-layered beats. I'm not looking for anything too raw, I'd actually like to hear something really well produced, but still interesting. The other rappers I like are along the lines of Eminmem & Kanye West...hehe yeah. I know nothing. Probably a big part of why I misunderstood this thread to begin with.

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:30:11 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 21:30

Elston wrote:

Alright, I'm going to do this once. But then no more.

The way you opened your post is not entirely obvious what you want to discuss. It's actually typed in a lazy conversational style and the way I interpreted it was "I think the best lyrical rapper is MF DOOM (or whoever)". And although it's a subtle difference, it's not the same as "okay, let's discuss who has the best lyrics in rap. I'm not interested in the delivery, the style, the flow, just who writes the best lyrics?" Something like that would have been clearer. And I think you attacked people who posted afterwords either because a) they disagreed with you or b) they misunderstood you.

Really Jewsom? You think you couldn't be any clearer? I really don't understand that. Even if most people did understand where you were coming from, I didn't. And I think you could have been clearer. And I think you would be more persuasive if you showed a little more self-effacement. I mean, you're Jewish aren't you?

Flow and style-- depending on how you define-- is part of the form, so that would be fair game. Guess I should've been clearer. Whatevs. Yes, I wasn't totally interested in getting into all aspects of delivery outside of the rhythm of the sounds and the cadence, i.e. I didn't want to get into "booming voice" talk. Sorry.

I don't know. I didn't think I would need to define lyricism.

Alright, can we revive this thread?

How about we just talk about favorite rappers, using whatever criteria you want.

Re: Greatest Rapper

telefunker — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:11:47 GMT

Author: telefunker

Posted: 11/20/2009 21:11

yeah, to be fair, it was clearly stated that this was a thread on lyrical proficency.. if i was picking my favourite rapper with all factors considered, it would probably be eminem for personal reasons, closely followed by dre for his outstanding production.. i chose canibus in the instance as he's the best i've ever heard on the semantic circuit.. considering all factors, he would be 4th or 5th

too spice the broth a little more, here's my favourite rap track:

Link

Re: Greatest Rapper

Elston — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:09:15 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 11/20/2009 21:09

Alright, I'm going to do this once. But then no more.

The way you opened your post is not entirely obvious what you want to discuss. It's actually typed in a lazy conversational style and the way I interpreted it was "I think the best lyrical rapper is MF DOOM (or whoever)". And although it's a subtle difference, it's not the same as "okay, let's discuss who has the best lyrics in rap. I'm not interested in the delivery, the style, the flow, just who writes the best lyrics?" Something like that would have been clearer. And I think you attacked people who posted afterwords either because a) they disagreed with you or b) they misunderstood you.

Really Jewsom? You think you couldn't be any clearer? I really don't understand that. Even if most people did understand where you were coming from, I didn't. And I think you could have been clearer. And I think you would be more persuasive if you showed a little more self-effacement. I mean, you're Jewish aren't you?

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:56:57 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 20:56

Elston wrote:

It didn't seem clear to me and I didn't understand what Jewsom meant until about 2 pages into the discussion. I also dislike it when people criticize each other on a personal level instead of attacking the ideas, but that is what Jewsom has rabidly done in the whole thread and in others. Perhaps it's time they had a taste of their own medicine.

Now as for the irony of my claiming to above such pettiness and then swiftly contradicting myself almost immediately afterwords, well...it's somehow Jewsom's fault. I'm sure of that. It's always the Jews.

"Lyrically" was the first word of the thread. 4 or 5 other initial responders understood. I couldn't be any clearer.

I attack the ideas while insulting. I don't think that's the same as a post that is solely an ad hominem attack.

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:53:02 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 20:53

Elston wrote:

It would. You're obstinate in your convinctions and incapable of understanding someone else's point of view.

Okay, Elston. You know, I think you're really cool and my anger at 8-tracks spilled over to you. I don't want you to think that I am incapable of understanding someone's point of view, simply because I point out things that I find to be problematic and irreconcilable. Ironically, the complaints came from people who attacked my point of view on rap. People have been far from understanding with me. 8-tracks simply wrote my opinion off from the beginning, without even giving me a reason.

So, if you were to start a Greatest Rapper thread, what things do you think should be discussed?

Thank you, Shankly.

Re: Greatest Rapper

Elston — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:48:39 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 11/20/2009 20:48

It didn't seem clear to me and I didn't understand what Jewsom meant until about 2 pages into the discussion. I also dislike it when people criticize each other on a personal level instead of attacking the ideas, but that is what Jewsom has rabidly done in the whole thread and in others. Perhaps it's time they had a taste of their own medicine.

Now as for the irony of my claiming to above such pettiness and then swiftly contradicting myself almost immediately afterwords, well...it's somehow Jewsom's fault. I'm sure of that. It's always the Jews.

Re: Greatest Rapper

Mr. Shankly — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:28:33 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 11/20/2009 20:28

Elston wrote:

It would. You're obstinate in your convinctions and incapable of understanding someone else's point of view.

If I may interject an outsiders' opinion for a moment, JJ was pretty clear in her first post about what she wanted to discuss in the thread, so she does kind of have a point. On the other hand, maybe the thread should have been entitled: "Best Rap Lyricists" to avoid confusion.

Now, whether JJ is obstinate or closed-minded is another matter entirely. I will just say this: It is frustrating when the discourse becomes more about the individual posting comments than the topic itself. Talk about a waste of time. Can we stop making it personal?

Re: Greatest Rapper

Elston — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:02:58 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 11/20/2009 20:02

It would. You're obstinate in your convinctions and incapable of understanding someone else's point of view.

Re: Greatest Rapper

joannajewsom — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:57:41 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 11/20/2009 19:57

Elston wrote:

You're problem is that you don't want people to discuss anything if it goes outside your narrow definition of what rapping is. Do you honestly think the music isn't important to rapping?

I understand the distinctions you're making, but some of the stuff you say is pretty ridiculous. I won't bother quoting you because it's a waste of time. In fact, debating with you is always a waste of time.

No, the problem is people not knowing how to define rap and blaming me for it. I wished to discuss the rhythm and poetry of rhythm and poetry. If you want to make a more general thread on hip-hop music, please do so. This thread was going well until people started complaining.

The music is important to hip-hop music, undoubtedly. But the skill of a rapper cannot possibly be gauged from the music. Beats =/= Rap. If I want to discuss screenwriting and not cinematography, that is valid, even though both are surely important to the final product.

If you understand the distinction, why would you call my definition narrow?

Sorry for getting nasty, but I should not be blamed for wanting to discuss the rhythm and poetry of rhythm and poetry. Seems perfectly valid to me.

Re: Greatest Rapper

RFNAPLES — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:22:54 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 11/20/2009 18:22

I second that.