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RFNAPLES — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:45:36 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 12/14/2009 17:45

I think I prefer the methodology used by the professors who authored the Review of General Psychology study, The 100 Most Eminent Psychologists of the 20th Century. Sorry.

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Anonymous — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:23:53 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/14/2009 17:23

I obviously can't speak for every university, but the large majority (and I should add in the U.S. and only some sister universities I've checked out the abroad programs in) mention Freud in two classes (intro and development) and Maslow in two classes (intro and development) (development is split into three or four courses usually). And in every class not more than two weeks is spent on either, often less than a day for Maslow. Freud is popular in special topics courses for upperclass majors, but not in the core curriculum; you would be very hard pressed to find a course on Maslow, or even the humanists as a whole. Skinner and Piaget, on the other hand, are extensively covered for the reasons mentioned before: there is a movement in psychology (and has been for a couple decades now) to prove everything by scientific means; and Skinner and Piaget were much more scientific and reliable than Freud and Maslow. I know this because I became attached to my universities psychology department my first two semesters, thinking I would want to pursue it, and this is some knowledge that was passed on to me.

Again though, I'm not saying Freud isn't incredibly influential in literature and other arts, but in the realm of psychology and science he is largely disregarded; he has become an infamous example of rampant conjecture (though interesting) in psychology that the field is trying to separate itself from but can't, because everyone thinks he's the greatest since he's the only one they can remember.

Re: Where can I Find the Album/track....

RFNAPLES — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:08 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 12/13/2009 23:16

I doubt that either psychologist would fall completely out of grace in 7 years. What is the basis of your opinion?

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Anonymous — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:10:16 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/13/2009 22:10

We're a good ten years into the 21st century...

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RFNAPLES — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:45:31 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 12/13/2009 21:45

purple wrote:

To restate, so no one feels the need to continue arguing, Freud is very influential in most everything other than psychology, but that's not what's under contention. I was making a stab at Maslow, who really is kind of a bitch, and I don't know anyone who really wants to defend him. But if you do, I'll just shoot back the same argument more or less...

Interesting but in direct opposition to what was found in the refereed article in the Review of General Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (Official Journal of APA Division 1 (Society of General Psychology)). While that article was published in 2002, I still trust it more than your unsupported opinion. Freud was found to be the 3rd and Maslow the 10th most-eminent psychologists of the twentieth century.

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Mr. Shankly — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:16:19 GMT

Author: Mr. Shankly

Posted: 12/13/2009 17:16

Uh, what was this thread about again?

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Anonymous — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:04:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/13/2009 17:04

from Purple [quote]To the Maslow comment: he's as good as Freud to the psychology world, i.e. no one gives a shit about him. Freud is good to literary people, Maslow's good to self-help gurus.[quote]

from Elston [quote]Freud is the single most influential psychologist ever, hands down. Maslow is right up there as well. Where do you get this shit man?[/quote]

from Purple [quote]Nobody gives a shit about either in psychology, influential in other fields though. Get a degree in psychology and you might talk about Freud in three classes; Maslow probably in two. Just cuz you've heard about them doesn't mean actual psychologists give a shit about them.[/quote]

from Elston [quote]purple, think about it this way: psychology is almost 150 years old. Out of those 150 years Freud is the most influential, or certainly one of them. Just because most people don't study Freud in school today as intensely as they may have 50 years ago, doesn't mean he isn't still the king. Let me put it like this: just because music students aren't necessarily studying Bach & Beethoven in school today, doesn't mean that those composers are meaningless. The reason that newer styles are being taught is because there's more money in them and more people teaching them. Universities try to compete with one another to have the most innovative programs.[/quote]

from CellarDoor [quote]Freud has influenced every single art form in the 20th century (and beyond) and has entered popular culture. But Skinner or Piaget ??
You don't have to agree with any theory (they are just that - theories), but the development of psychoanalysis in the last century has had imo a great social impact. In the art world, this global awareness for all things unconscious, was probably responsable for the important interest in the surrealistic movement. [/quote]

It looks like I'll take jewsom's reins; no where in any of my posts did I say he's not the most influential, he is in philosophy, literature, music etc, true; but I'll restate that no one gives a shit about Freud in psychology. So my original statement hasn't really been under any fire yet; no where do I mention influence outside of psychology. Anyway, since you must not have been reading my posts, I continued to relate the usefulness of Maslow to Freud's, in the psychology world. Today, in psychology, there's a movement to be able to prove most everything by scientific means; that's why the non-scientific work of Freud and Maslow don't mean shit in the realm of psychology.

To restate, so no one feels the need to continue arguing, Freud is very influential in most everything other than psychology, but that's not what's under contention. I was making a stab at Maslow, who really is kind of a bitch, and I don't know anyone who really wants to defend him. But if you do, I'll just shoot back the same argument more or less...

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joannajewsom — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:06:08 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 12/12/2009 23:06

How many Freudian analysts does it take to change a lightbulb?

Two. One to change the bulb and one to hold the penis-- er, I mean ladder.

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CellarDoor — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:11:55 GMT

Author: CellarDoor

Posted: 12/12/2009 20:11

Freud has influenced every single art form in the 20th century (and beyond) and has entered popular culture. But Skinner or Piaget ??
You don't have to agree with any theory (they are just that - theories), but the development of psychoanalysis in the last century has had imo a great social impact. In the art world, this global awareness for all things unconscious, was probably responsable for the important interest in the surrealistic movement.
Remember the 40s...

Link

In music, there are numerous examples.
Charles Mingus' "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" and the liner notes written by his psychotherapist for one !

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Elston — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:25:25 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 12/12/2009 18:25

ty once again Mr. Napes : >

purple, think about it this way: psychology is almost 150 years old. Out of those 150 years Freud is the most influential, or certainly one of them. Just because most people don't study Freud in school today as intensely as they may have 50 years ago, doesn't mean he isn't still the king. Let me put it like this: just because music students aren't necessarily studying Bach & Beethoven in school today, doesn't mean that those composers are meaningless. The reason that newer styles are being taught is because there's more money in them and more people teaching them. Universities try to compete with one another to have the most innovative programs.

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RFNAPLES — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:50:50 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 12/12/2009 17:50

The 100 Most Eminent Psychologists of the 20th Century (Review of General Psychology 6(2):pp. 139-152)

A rank-ordered list was constructed that reports the first 99 of the 100 most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century. Eminence was measured by scores on three quantitative variables and three qualitative variables. The quantitative variables were journal citation frequency, introductory psychology textbook citation frequency, and survey response frequency. The qualitative variables were National Academy of Science (NAS) membership, American Psychological Association (APA) President and/or recipient of the APA Distinguished Scientific Contributions Award, and surname used as an eponym. The qualitative variables were quantified and combined with the other three quantitative variables to produce a composite score that was then used to construct a rank-ordered list of the most eminent psychologists of the twentieth century.

The 10 most-eminent psychologists of the twentieth century:

The 17 psychologists most frequently cited in the professional psychological journal literature:

The 17 psychologists most frequently cited in introductory psychology textbooks:

The 19 psychologists most frequently named in the survey responses of 1,725 members of the American Psychological Association:

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Anonymous — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:25 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/12/2009 17:24

Nobody gives a shit about either in psychology, influential in other fields though. Get a degree in psychology and you might talk about Freud in three classes; Maslow probably in two. Just cuz you've heard about them doesn't mean actual psychologists give a shit about them.

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Elston — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:10:09 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 12/11/2009 06:10

Freud is the single most influential psychologist ever, hands down. Maslow is right up there as well. Where do you get this shit man?

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badfaith — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:47:48 GMT

Author: badfaith

Posted: 12/11/2009 05:47

joannajewsom wrote:

badfaith wrote:

Good points well made, but my concern is that in the not too distant future, an aspiring John Lennon, or a potential Bob Dylan may be working in Starbucks instead of making music because it just doesn't pay the way it used to, and given that becoming a musician is quite a leap of faith, with many people telling you to get a proper job anyway... and how many stories are there already about musicians who could have been great, but were persuaded to do other things for more practical reasons.

We all love our music, but the loss would be ours if there are no artists making music at all, that we can download legally or otherwise.

I don't think this will be a problem. If anything, instead of there eventually being no artists making music at all, there will really be too many artists making music.

With technology and the internet, it's much easier for anyone to record and release their music themselves than it was when Lennon and Dylan were around. All you need is a computer, really. You can use garage band, adobe audition, mixcraft and so on, then you can sell your music on your website, myspace, cdbaby, even iTunes and many other outlets. I think it's great that musicians do not have to rely on major labels like they used to. Of course they will not have million-dollar marketing campaigns, but they will have their independence and the opportunity to make a comfortable living on their own and not be cheated out of their money. Not every potential Bob Dylan will make enough of a living off of their music to be saved from their shitty jobs, but the outlet for their music is still there. And, really, if an artist loses interest in making music because he's not making a lot of money off of it, then I probably wouldn't want to hear their music.

I think you make a good point there... I stand corrected, the artists have a greater opportunity through the internet to be musicians, but isn't there a cultural loss there?

I think in another thread the discussion was about a chart chosen predominantly by the artists, and how, doing what they do for a living, all their time being spent making music, being around musicians and being immersed in the musicians culture, ideas and influences are exchanged and music develops in new ways... isn't this possibility lost when such a degree of seperation exists? I'd bet that if you took a group of bands who do this for a living and provided a culture in which they were connected so to speak, the music would be more consistently interesting, brilliant, and develop in new and exciting ways more frequently than millions more who could only make music part time and exist in a culture in which great swathes are entirely unaware of each other and their work.

...and this is the problem for old farts like me who are not as computer literate as many of you younger folks, the internet culture that has risen in such short time has essentially cut miilions out of the alternative culture of the day... leaving only the popular and unsatisfying culture of mainstream corporate enterprises.

I wonder then if it is possible under these conditions for there to be another cultural movement like sixties hippy-ism, punk, or any distinct unifying cultural force, dissolving in a sea of mediocrity as we are, each of us stranded on little islands of micro-culture which says nothing new to nobody about anything... a Gallapigos chain of lessons in how to dissappear completely?

I wonder if destruction of the means of delivery (cd etc) and methods employed by those who control them should be a good thing, but that this does not mean that the loss of structures and the culture that supported them is (something similar could be said for all media, ie. we should jump up and down in hapiness at the downfall of newspaper monopolies and empires, but we should not take that to mean that the death of proffessional jouranalism should go with it)

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Anonymous — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:45:05 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 12/11/2009 05:45

To the Maslow comment: he's as good as Freud to the psychology world, i.e. no one gives a shit about him. Freud is good to literary people, Maslow's good to self-help gurus.

And I think the proper price to pay for an album is $0.00 (US). If it's good (they deserve the money) then they'll have a legacy in their influence of other bands, what any artist wants, more than money (though that's cool too); if it's bad, then you might as well steal it because they probably don't deserve it... Do you think Britney Spears isn't in it for the money? steal the bitches music and everyone elses.

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Elston — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:46:49 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 12/10/2009 16:46

Yeah, I think one of the problems with digital music is that 1) the packing is minimal (if none existant), so you don't get an album cover or anything physical and 2) the quality is greatly reduced since it's mp3s. It's mindboggling that you have to pay as much as you do, considering these factors.

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RFNAPLES — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:02 GMT

Author: RFNAPLES

Posted: 12/10/2009 16:34

I am not sure what a fair price for digital music is; I guess it is what the traffic will bare. I purchase many CDs through a club where the normal price is $6.99 US including shipping. Often they are on sale at $5.99 with free shipping and a buy 1, 2 or 3 and get one more free offer. That would suggest to me that digital music should be even less since there are fewer manufacturing, shipping and handling costs. I don't purchase tracks and don't want to and therefore don't care what price is charged.

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joannajewsom — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:59:19 GMT

Author: joannajewsom

Posted: 12/10/2009 15:59

badfaith wrote:

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dp39 — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:45:02 GMT

Author: dp39

Posted: 12/10/2009 15:45

Yeah I mean $1 for a track on itunes is a little ridiculous. If albums were $5 in US muscians would still be making millions. Sons a bitches I tell ya!

But I do like what purple nurple was saying

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Elston — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:19:26 GMT

Author: Elston

Posted: 12/10/2009 15:19

Yea, I think you should pay like $6.99 (CND) maximum for an online album and maybe $.5 for a track. Which would be roughly $5 US and $.4 And then you should get deals for buying in bulk. Like if you purchase 5 albums from an artist, it should be like $25 or less. And you should have the option of downloading lossless files, like flac or wav for maybe $.1 more per track.