Best Ever Albums

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:08:52 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 09/01/2013 01:08

Jasonconfused wrote:

I'd say Metallica, but honestly I don't know shit or really care to know shit about anything they did post-Black Album.

I guess maybe Led Zeppelin? They definitely are my favorite band, but I just think there are so many Led Zeppelin fans, that it would be difficult for me to claim to be the champion of them.

The Zep champ would probably be the one that's listened to every Zeppelin live and studio album and has most of their albums on his/her chart.

I know I'd champion Alice Cooper and Meat Loaf. Double-whammy for me.

ptaylor1989 wrote:

Yea, it'll lead to egos that can't be tamed and other unintended consequences.]

It'll lead to a million Jasons.

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 23:03:54 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/11/2013 03:03

lethalnezzle wrote:

Listmeister wrote:

this thread needed to die

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:50:51 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 08/11/2013 02:50

Listmeister wrote:

this thread needed to die

Re: Champions

Listmeister — Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:05:51 GMT

Author: Listmeister

Posted: 08/10/2013 23:05

Perhaps this thread needed to die, but I'd like to suggest a different take on the idea.

It's fairly easy to determine who the biggest fan of any given album is (except for like the top twenty). You look at the album's page on this site, and whoever has the highest rank score is that album's champion. Tie breakers go first to the largest chart, then to oldest member (in terms of membership seniority). An artist's champions are the set of all the artists album's champions.

For example. To pick an album at random, James Brown Live At The Apollo (1963). The highest Rank Score for it is 98, from jjstraka ranking it #2 out of 100. He would be that album's champion. Perhaps he could get a line in the generated description at the top of the page, something like "Live At The Apollo has an average rating of 79 out of 100 (from 180 votes), and its biggest fan is jjstraka.

Another example. Pink Floyd's The Wall. Dozens rank it as #1 overall. Three rank it as #1 out of 100, so whichever of those three (Hattori300, Kyle39, and rsongster) has seniority wins. So Hattori300, member since September 2010, would be that album's champion.

Re: Champions

ptaylor1989 — Wed, 3 Jul 2013 04:10:00 GMT

Author: ptaylor1989

Posted: 07/03/2013 08:10

Puncture Repair wrote:

I agree, it'll just make the site messy

Yea, it'll lead to egos that can't be tamed and other unintended consequences.

Re: Champions

junodog4 — Tue, 2 Jul 2013 23:02:53 GMT

Author: junodog4

Posted: 07/03/2013 03:02

lethalnezzle wrote:

This just seems likely to turn into a dick-swinging competition, and christ knows we have enough of those already.

That's what the old 'I'm the biggest fan of' thread turned into....

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:22:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/02/2013 18:22

I agree, it'll just make the site messy and create further elitism for the older users.

It's pretty clear from discussion which users know most about certain bands anyhow.

Re: Champions

Jasonconfused — Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:10:51 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 07/02/2013 17:10

JMan wrote:

I like this idea. It would be kinda cool to be the champion of the king of shock rock.

Do you even Arthur Brown, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, or King Diamond?

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:47:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/02/2013 14:47

I like this idea. It would be kinda cool to be the champion of the king of shock rock.

Re: Champions

EyeKanFly — Tue, 2 Jul 2013 00:38:44 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/02/2013 04:38

lethalnezzle wrote:

Not a fan of the idea. We have recommendation threads and what not.

I completely agree with this.

And...we kind of already have the "champion" idea without actually having the title champion. Using an example previously mentioned, say I want to learn more about Muse. I could go to the search bar, type Muse, go to their page, and see all the users that have favorited that band. I look through the users that have favorited Muse, and see a few names from the forum I recognize (Dingerbell, myself...). I pm any of those users asking for recommendations. If they don't respond or can't give a recommendation, I repeat the process and move to another user. Or like nezzle said just go to the recommendation thread and wait for someone to respond.

"Championing" an artist seems kind of counterintuitive. Instead of giving lots of users the ability to recommend and talk about a certain band, you're basically restricting it to one user (or giving that one user the most influence and the final say). It's not a bad idea, I just think it's already been covered.

Re: Champions

ptaylor1989 — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:05:29 GMT

Author: ptaylor1989

Posted: 07/01/2013 23:05

suddenly, I see why government beauracracy makes something as simple as getting my drivers's license a week ordeal.

Re: Champions

MrFrogger — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:59:17 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:59

SilverWalrus wrote:

I pretty much agree with Lethal, we already have recommendation threads for that sort of thing. The champions idea would just add a convoluted element to that exchange, more of a middleman than anything. Aside from that there are also charts and images people can bring up to help people along with artists and in general just a lot of other resources that we already have that renders the whole champions idea redundant. The only thing that would be helped by this is the egos of people who are named champions.

Yea I see what you're saying, I still kind of like the idea, but now I feel like I could care less if it happens.

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:52:47 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:52

MrFrogger wrote:

I personally see it less as "Help me like this artist" and more "I already like this artist, can you direct me to some great B Sides/Rarities/live stuff/hard to find etc". Or even "I heard this album and liked these songs, which album should I hear next based on what I already like?". That's where I see the human element coming into play, as they can personally help guide listeners on a case by case basis.

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:34:17 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:34

Not a fan of the idea. We have recommendation threads and what not. This just seems likely to turn into a dick-swinging competition, and christ knows we have enough of those already.

Re: Champions

MrFrogger — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:32:22 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:32

I personally see it less as "Help me like this artist" and more "I already like this artist, can you direct me to some great B Sides/Rarities/live stuff/hard to find etc". Or even "I heard this album and liked these songs, which album should I hear next based on what I already like?". That's where I see the human element coming into play, as they can personally help guide listeners on a case by case basis.

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:27:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:27

I can't see it being anything other than an unnecessary clusterfuck, but that's just me. I mean, if someone wants to get into a band then they should just go about listening to the band's stuff as they normally do, whether that be listen to their most popular album first or their most recent or whatever. If someone doesn't like a band or doesn't get it and needs someone to explain it to them, then I doubt the explanation will ever please them. Just speaking from personal experience, the only time I've ever gone to people asking to get perspective on why a band is good was with Brand New, and the end result of that was just that I'd go back and listen to Brand New again sometime later. It just seems like a weird concept that would be hard to implement and wholly unneeded.

Re: Champions

Norman Bates — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:19:54 GMT

Author: Norman Bates

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:19

I don't like the idea, but it's time to go to bed and I'll try and elaborate tomorrow.

Re: Champions

MrFrogger — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:16:26 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:16

nutso42 wrote:

It's no different than people nominating an album in one of the Tournaments. Say I nominate a Zappa album in a tournament, I'm responsible for drumming up support for it in said tournament. But say you come along. You know more about Zappa than I do. But what's the fault there?.

Hm, but the point of a champion is to give knowledge about that artist to those who ask, correct? Than if you have an un-knowledgeable person call "dibs" on an artist and champion it, doesn't that defeat the purpose?

I think the only solution here is that we just trust a person that chooses to champion something, and that they believe they are at a sufficient level of familiarity with the artist in question and will fulfill their duties as a champion.

Re: Champions

Anonymous — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:11:36 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:11

Jasonconfused wrote:

This suddenly looks like a bad idea, or one that is just nearly impossible to implement effectively. How about we all just know who is knowledgeable about what bands, and just seek those people out as they are needed. I think most of us know each others' musical strengths at this point.

Re: Champions

MrFrogger — Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:11:01 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 07/01/2013 22:11

I personally think it'd be better if we just stick with 1 champion per artist, as it avoids a lot of the confusion of multiple champions, and makes the title mean much more in itself. I still don't know how you would resolve the dispute pf multiple people wanting to champion an artist though.