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Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

martintho — Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:47:52 GMT

Author: martintho

Posted: 07/10/2013 19:47

agree about not using the one-year-ones in the rank, disagree about the one-artist-ones. but then again; what's really the difference? none. we suggest there is something fishy when a girl loves only one singer or only music from 1948 makes her heart go jumping, we won't allow it? so: how many years must be included in an overall-chart or how many artists must a girl prefer? i complained about this last year, though, seeing that too many albums did well in the 2012 chart despite only being in a handful lists. i know albummaster will come up with the sensiest solution here, anywho. forgive my rambling

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

EyeKanFly — Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:37:04 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/10/2013 13:37

I haven't been here as long as you all, but my impression would be that (most of) these people aren't trying to exploit the system, but rather just doing their own thing with their charts (and then forgetting about it and leaving the site). That being said if the "Top 40 Greatest Music Albums" is being used for something other than the user's top 40 albums, it probably shouldn't be counted in the rank score.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

albummaster — Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:35:52 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 07/10/2013 06:35

The Poe wrote:

If there's something that can be exploited, it will be exploited.

yes, something BEA is learning the hard way!

Regards charts containing all of the same artist, perhaps charts over ten entries containing all of the same artist could be disqualified in the same way that fake year charts are going to be. This will still allow people to flood their lists with their favourite artists, but charts like the Bob Dylan one will no longer count.

These are some other examples of overall charts containing just one artist:

ChartID 299 (20 entries)
ChartID 679 (13 entries)
ChartID 1314 (20 entries)
ChartID 1910 (10 entries)
ChartID 1940 (10 entries)
ChartID 2027 (12 entries)
ChartID 2965 (15 entries)
ChartID 3767 (15 entries)
ChartID 3780 (10 entries)
ChartID 4576 (11 entries)
ChartID 7287 (17 entries)
ChartID 7299 (12 entries)
ChartID 8979 (12 entries)
ChartID 10588 (10 entries)
ChartID 11199 (10 entries)

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:57:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:57

Your post was better than mine, anyway. Once sentence verse three to make the same point.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:53:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:53

The Poe wrote:

damn you

😎 I love you too. 🤣

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:53:20 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:53

If there's something that can be exploited, it will be exploited.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:52:12 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:52

Great improvements albummaster. I am amazed people think of doing things like this just to game the system.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:51:30 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:51

BrandonMeow wrote:

Maybe if their chart is over 25% one artist?

damn you

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:50:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:50

EyeKanFly wrote:

That being said, I've seen user charts with 10 Beatles albums in them that are perfectly legitimate charts, so where does the line get drawn?

Maybe not an exact number but a percentage. New members can only add 40, and it's obvious when a new member has around 8 so Radiohead albums. So maybe the line should be drawn somewhere around 15%.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:49:49 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:49

EyeKanFly wrote:

Something like that is probably the user's custom chart, though they can't make custom charts yet, so they have it as their main chart. I sort of get what the user is doing, but I agree that it would probably be better not to include charts like this in the overall.

That being said, I've seen user charts with 10 Beatles albums in them that are perfectly legitimate charts, so where does the line get drawn?

Maybe if their chart is over 25% one artist?

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

EyeKanFly — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:41:55 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:41

Noir wrote:

Weak: http://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=3446

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:37:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:37

... guess I've seen 48 then?

Point is, they should probably be treated same as custom charts.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:24:58 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:24

The Poe wrote:

Love it.

One question, what about charts dominated by one artist? I've seen charts with up to 25 albums from the same artist.

Weak: http://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=3446

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 13:12:32 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 17:12

Love it.

One question, what about charts dominated by one artist? I've seen charts with up to 25 albums from the same artist.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Defago — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:43:01 GMT

Author: Defago

Posted: 07/09/2013 16:43

Jhereko wrote:

Yes! All these changes are great.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:34:34 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 16:34

Yes! All these changes are great.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Anonymous — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:33:59 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/09/2013 16:33

Ace stuff, as always.

Re: Tweaks to rank score calculation

Patman360 — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:23:29 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 07/09/2013 16:23

albummaster wrote:

In the site update I'm currently working on, these types of chart will no longer count towards the overall rankings (people using their overall or decade chart as a year chart which is distorting the overall position because of the extra rank points that an overall chart has compared to a year chart).

I'm also going to be implementing a change so that overall charts with less than ten entries no longer count towards the rankings. These charts are typically used by people who sign up to game the site, or are just partly finished & abandoned (suggested many times before e.g. http://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=54613#54613).

I think making these changes could really help to improve the quality of the rankings & make the site more robust.

Sweet, sounds great, this should definitely lead to improvements in the rankings and I guess it'll help the site in general, thanks for this albummaster, great work! �'�

Tweaks to rank score calculation

albummaster — Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:01:48 GMT