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Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

HigherThanTheSun — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:16:50 GMT

Author: HigherThanTheSun

Posted: 07/18/2013 01:16

I listen to Gary Glitter all the time and don't even feel bad.

Seriously though I don't think it's possible to completely separate the music from the people who create it, at least not for me. If an artist I liked came out with this sort of thing I'd probably be less inclined to listen to them and would most likely not be able to enjoy their music as much as I did before.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

EyeKanFly — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:49:20 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/17/2013 17:49

Polythene Pam wrote:

:lol:

....

The flag should be a rather large tip off.

TIL Candy Apple Island has no Walmarts...I heard they have apes though.
(Also New Zealand's lack of Walmart surprises me)

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

19loveless91 — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:37:56 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 07/17/2013 17:37

meccalecca wrote:

Have you ever been to Walmart?

Jasonconfused wrote:

Still the best mosh pit of my life.

Okay, okay! I may be wrong here...

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:14:49 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 17:14

Jhereko wrote:

http://soncrossacademy.org/scnew/what-mice-can-teach-you-about-music/

...although describing Anthrax as acid rock is fairly strange.

These studies are all pretty famous and point to the same conclusion. Unless of course it's misleading because they somehow put all the aggressive and distracted mice in the same group that happened to be the same group that listened to Anthrax.

I might've cared more if they did a few more genres, you know, just to diversify the testing a bit, would've made it more interesting. It's attention grabbing though tbh.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Jasonconfused — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 13:04:53 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 07/17/2013 17:04

Jhereko wrote:

Lol at calling Anthrax acid rock. Anthrax was actually the first show I ever went to. Still the best mosh pit of my life.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:48:56 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:48

meccalecca wrote:

Have you ever been to Walmart?

🤣

....

The flag should be a rather large tip off.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:43:24 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:43

19loveless91 wrote:

I'm no biologist, but I doubt neurological systems of mice and men are comparable. I don't think we have the same instincts developed.

Have you ever been to Walmart?

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Necharsian — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:42:04 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:42

Jhereko wrote:

Also I think this is why every metalhead I meet is an arrogant douche, it's an aggressive behaviour. Although I'm talking about people who spend 95-99% of their music listening - listening to metal. Moderation is the key, kids.

Weird most of the metalheads (admittedly not many) i know are super nice. Definitely nicer than those Vampire Weekend fan assholes.

I will say though that I generally dont get a violent vibe from black metal. I can easily sleep to Burzum and if i was feeling angry before it would probably calm me down. Death metal keeps me awake but i can study to Immolation without ripping paper and breaking pencils.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

19loveless91 — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:38:53 GMT

Author: 19loveless91

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:38

I'm no biologist, but I doubt neurological systems of mice and men are comparable. I don't think we have the same instincts developed.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:28:32 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:28

Yeah, there's definitley things to consider. Like the fact that the music was blasted for 10 hours a day (although this did seem to work in the classical music group's favour) and the fact that the results would differ slightly for humans.

I thought the most interesting this was that they were the only group that attacked (and killed as I read in other reports of the study) each other. You only have to look at the examples you gave above to see that it can (not neccecarily 'will') incite mindless violence.

Also I think this is why every metalhead I meet is an arrogant douche, it's an aggressive behaviour. Although I'm talking about people who spend 95-99% of their music listening - listening to metal. Moderation is the key, kids.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:22:52 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:22

Jhereko wrote:

hahaha. I find that study a bit baffling. When I was at one of my old jobs, we'd always crank up Slayer on deadline days and I definitely seemed to work more quickly.

But maybe the mice were simply too busy rocking out to Anthrax to be bothered with a shitty maze

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:19:01 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:19

Jasonconfused wrote:

Or possibly the hardcore shows were a means for already violent teens to release their rage instead of going out and shooting up their schools. This reminds me of a study I saw recently where it said that people that listen to metal have depression and anxiety issues at higher rates than people that don't listen to metal, but that study is just so misleading. Metal isn't the cause of this, it just attracts people with those issues at a higher rate. At least that was the case for me.

Yeah, I'm definitely not saying metal = violence or anything like that. I've been a bit of devil's advocate for sake of positive discussion. And I agree, it attracts people with those issues at a higher rate, and offers a place to release that rage. I'm sure the suicide rate of people listening to Elliot Smith is higher than other forms of music too, because people suffering from manic depression relate to it.

Side note: I'll never forgive the drunk asshole who jumped off the 2nd floor balcony and landed on the kid in front of me, paralyzing him permanently.

Also, once saw an asshole lift up another kid and drop him directly on his head while System of a Down was playing. Not sure if that kid survived without serious injury

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:16:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:16

http://soncrossacademy.org/scnew/what-mice-can-teach-you-about-music/

...although describing Anthrax as acid rock is fairly strange.

These studies are all pretty famous and point to the same conclusion. Unless of course it's misleading because they somehow put all the aggressive and distracted mice in the same group that happened to be the same group that listened to Anthrax.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Jasonconfused — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:13 GMT

Author: Jasonconfused

Posted: 07/17/2013 16:03

meccalecca wrote:

Back in my teenage years, I spent the bulk of my weekends at NY Hardcore shows, where I witnessed aggressive, angry kids react to aggressive music by beating the shit out of one another. Maybe the music provided an excuse for these kids to behave more violently, or maybe it fed into the testosterone. Definitely not the cause, but possibly a catalyst

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:45:39 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 15:45

Necharsian wrote:

I would say violence is more influenced by ones actual human interaction. Bullying has no doubt in my mind caused more deaths than death metal ever will. I seriously doubt playing GTA and listening to Suffocation is going to cause someone to just say "fuck lets murder some people today" while being content with your life. Im sure it could potentially be a tipping point, but so could stepping in dog shit or not getting the birthday gift you wanted. If you're mentally unstable, youre mentally unstable. Theres no way listening to "violent" music would make you that way nor should it take any of the blame.

I don't disagree with this. But I do think it's influential, especially on developing minds, kids, teenagers. The glamorization of materialism in commercial rap has clearly been quite influential. Just as I believe homophobia in various media has slowed progression on that front. Murder and rape are obvious more extreme acts caused by a multitude of factors.

Back in my teenage years, I spent the bulk of my weekends at NY Hardcore shows, where I witnessed aggressive, angry kids react to aggressive music by beating the shit out of one another. Maybe the music provided an excuse for these kids to behave more violently, or maybe it fed into the testosterone. Definitely not the cause, but possibly a catalyst

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Necharsian — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:29:06 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 07/17/2013 15:29

meccalecca wrote:

I agree with you that music does not cause people to do terrible things, but it does influence them. Some music glorifies violence, misogyny, or spews racism, etc. I think there's definitely a need for moral responsibility within arts, video games, movies, etc. I'm definitely not saying censorship. That's the opposite of a solution. These things definitely have subliminal effects on the subconscious mind. If you've ever watched a violent movie, and then had a violent dream, that's very clear evidence. Obviously, this doesn't mean you'll go out and kill. And to a certain extent, a violent video game or music can be a therapeutic release for built up aggression. There's a very fine line.

I would say violence is more influenced by ones actual human interaction. Bullying has no doubt in my mind caused more deaths than death metal ever will. I seriously doubt playing GTA and listening to Suffocation is going to cause someone to just say "fuck lets murder some people today" while being content with your life. Im sure it could potentially be a tipping point, but so could stepping in dog shit or not getting the birthday gift you wanted. If youre mentally unstable, youre mentally unstable. Theres no way listening to "violent" music would make you that way nor should it take any of the blame.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

EyeKanFly — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:16:27 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/17/2013 15:16

Necharsian wrote:

Thats the great thing about art. You can make up your own themes based on the feelings you get from it. I have never listened to anything that has made think of actually raping babies or practicing genocide so I think im doing ok.

ps this is also why music does not cause people to do terrible things. if you start a mass murder because you think a song said it was cool then hey youre really stupid and proabably couldve been prompted by a super soaker commercial to do the same thing.

Agreed about the art thing.

And for the PS part: seeing as music often comes from the soul (or whatever) and advertising is an attempt to make people do/buy something, well yeah I agree with this.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

meccalecca — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:10:43 GMT

Author: meccalecca

Posted: 07/17/2013 15:10

Necharsian wrote:

ps this is also why music does not cause people to do terrible things. if you start a mass murder because you think a song said it was cool then hey youre really stupid and proabably couldve been prompted by a super soaker commercial to do the same thing.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

Necharsian — Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:48:46 GMT

Author: Necharsian

Posted: 07/17/2013 14:48

OK so i know everyone wants my opinion on this so woo here we go.

No an artist's personality or criminal record doesnt play a factor in me liking or buying their music. I listen to a lot of black metal and i imagine that i would not be listening to most of them if i restricted myself like that. Burn as many churches as you want if you make good tunes ill listen to it. (NOTE: i do not condone burning churches or other buildings).

Where i might draw the line is if (for example) a singer/songwriter made a song that had over the top blunt lyrics about rape or something. eg "I rape children la la la la la". But id probably just attribute that to poor songwriting, and having lyrics like "im eating chips la la la la la" could be equally as bad to me. Lyrics generally dont mean that much to me, but really god awful lyrics can ruin songs. And this goes back to black metal. Despite the fact that i listen to tons of it, some I still have no idea what the fuck theyre singing (shrieking) about. Usually in that case i just make up my own themes about the music. Oh this has a forest on the cover? must be about forests. Boom. That album is about forests. It could be about white supremacy but what do i know. I dont speak norwegian shriek and i dont care anyways. Most of the black metal albums i own dont even have lyrics in the sleeves so i can just assume theyre talking about winter or death or whatever the hell i want. Thats the great thing about art. You can make up your own themes based on the feelings you get from it. I have never listened to anything that has made think of actually raping babies or practicing genocide so I think im doing ok.

ps this is also why music does not cause people to do terrible things. if you start a mass murder because you think a song said it was cool then hey youre really stupid and proabably couldve been prompted by a super soaker commercial to do the same thing.

Re: Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Arrested For Planning Mass Murder

EyeKanFly — Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:52:19 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/16/2013 23:52

meccalecca wrote:

Since I've got this topic going, might as well raise a few interesting questions...

Can you like the music of someone who disgusts you as a human being?

Probably, though this hasn't been the case yet (no musician I've ever heard disgusts me). Maybe I should listen to Charles Manson's music...

meccalecca wrote:

Would you buy the music of a convicted murderer?

Phil Spector, so yes.

meccalecca wrote:

Are there artists whose music you can no longer enjoy because of their personality or actions?

I guess not.

meccalecca wrote:

Does violent music provide insight into the mind of the performer, or is it just music and nothing more?

Probably, though most likely I'd think nothing of it when listening to it, unless it was especially grotesque/violent/offensive (e.g. "I Cum Blood" by Cannibal Corpse), in which case I'd probably just not listen to it. I suppose if an artist had recordings of murder or rape or something during the song I'd probably be pretty weirded out.