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Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

EyeKanFly — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:16:11 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/24/2013 15:16

SilverWalrus wrote:

Jigglypuff is a top tier competitive character in melee with interesting mechanics, I would be upset if they got rid of Jigglypuff.I'm not sure if she's good in Brawl, but she still has good mechanics and who gives a fuck about Brawl?

drakonium wrote:

I'm pretty surprised to read that. Whether or not it deserved to be a playable character, it was one of my favorite, and I don't see why it would be more a joke than a character like Bowser.

And Jigglypuff, a joke? Come on, it (THERE ARE MALE JIGGLYPUFF DON'T SAY "SHE" THANK YOU) was one if the best characters in Melee. It was much weaker in Brawl (how sad), but it was one of the most insanely over-powered Melee characters. It would be pretty lovely if they managed to give it back its power in the new game. Same goes for Sheik, my favorite Melee character, and much much less impressive in Brawl.

🤡 Oops. It seems I have confused or mislead. There seems to be a misunderstanding...
Anyway, I never said I don't want Jigglypuff in the game. I love playing as Jigglypuff (except in Brawl because, yeah, it's a bit nerfed). All I meant was this: look at Smash 64. All the characters are main characters from major Nintendo franchises, and then there's Jigglypuff, who just seemed to be a mildly popular Pokemon, but played very uniquely, in fact was probably the most unique character in Smash 64 (after Ness maybe). Basically my whole original point was that I love the more unique characters, so it would be a huge shame if Jigglypuff was cut (and since it was one of the original 12, it seems highly doubtful). The more unique characters sometimes get criticized by people (either because they're difficult to play as, or because they are unpopular additions), and this seemed to be the case with ROB, Olimar, and even G&W (there were people who were sure he wouldn't make it to Brawl, saying that it was a joke or gimmick to put him in Melee). The only character who I can actually say was gimmicky was Roy: he was a character in Melee before his game was even released, but in Melee basically just to promote his Fire Emblem game (which to be fair worked great, and he was cool in Melee, though not as cool as Marth). Some people seem to think that Jigglypuff in 64, G&W in Melee, ROB in Brawl were gimmicky and didn't belong with the rest of the smash crew. Personally I feel like uniqueness is what makes them belong.

As far as Jigglypuff's gender, to be fair in the games I think 75% of Jigglypuffs were female? But I just said "she" since it seems weird to use "it" as a gender neutral pronoun (same reason I called ROB "he", though ROB is probably more accurately an "it").

And as far as the new website goes compared to the Brawl dojo, I'd like to point out that the Brawl website was very minimal for a while after Brawl was revealed at E3 (2006 I think?) and the Dojo didn't start up for a few months after. Maybe that'll happen again? Even if not, the new website looks really nice and streamlined, and I'm sure they'll add more than just characters.

http://www.smashbros.com/us/CHARACTERS/pikmin.html <- The fact that characters is part of the URL makes me think that there will also be stages, items, etc. on the site eventually. Also I like the pictures, they're almost better than the Dojo updates (I mean, they were awesome when it was a character or stage or adventure mode update, but everything else was often disappointing), and yesterday we even got a new stage in the picture! (Or at least that's what it seemed like).

Apparently it's based on the new Kid Icarus, though I assumed it was Fire Emblem

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:14:55 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/24/2013 12:14

SilverWalrus wrote:

I was scanning over those images for a second til' I realized what you did. Fire Emblem is supposed to be second only to Persona for me, but that joke went way over my head for a good 30 seconds. Nice one. :lol:

😉

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

drakonium — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:54:15 GMT

Author: drakonium

Posted: 07/24/2013 10:54

EyeKanFly wrote:

I've heard lots of people who think that ROB was sort of a gimmick or a joke, and so they're expecting him to get cut. IMO he was a great character (and I guess an important part of Nintendo's history and so a worthy smash character).

Also, that said, we've had Jigglypuff for 3 games in a row, and I don't think any character's been more of a "joke". Not that I dislike Jigglypuff either.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:35:33 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/24/2013 09:35

AlexZangari wrote:

Although, you would be surprised at how revealing the screenshots can be for those with a keen eye. Looks like Kellam from Fire Emblem is confirmed, as he appears in the following images:

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:34:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/24/2013 09:34

If I find out King Dedede has been axed in favour of Wii Fit Trainer or Animal Crossing Villager I'll be really ticked off.

They're such lame characters, whatever happens, someone's favourite character has been removed from the game in favour of these shameful two additions, void of any personality or appeal.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:28:24 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/24/2013 09:28

I really wish they did Smash Bros. Dojo!! again. This new website doesn't hold up when Dojo released something new every week day (like an item/song/character/stage, etc., not just a screenshot).

Although, you would be surprised at how revealing the screenshots can be for those with a keen eye. Looks like Kellam from Fire Emblem is confirmed, as he appears in the following images:

Thumbnail. Click to enlarge.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Patman360 — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:13:20 GMT

Author: Patman360

Posted: 07/24/2013 08:13

I'm all for drakonium's Paper Mario suggestion, that'd be epic, I'm actually wondering why Nintendo hasn't done this before (The Thousand Year Door is one of the best games ever made), anyway, I'm a massive Smash Bros. so I'll try add a better input once I'm not half asleep on a bus.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Anonymous — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:10:05 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/24/2013 08:10

EyeKanFly wrote:

Also, that said, we've had Jigglypuff for 3 games in a row, and I don't think any character's been more of a "joke". Not that I dislike Jigglypuff either.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

EyeKanFly — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:25:21 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/24/2013 07:25

drakonium wrote:

Anyway, I won't quote every suggestion I like so far because there would be way too much of them, but I'm particularly a fan of the Skullkid one. Why are you all like "I'd like ROB to stay"? Why would it leave? It was a great character with a very unique moveset, I don see any reason for it to not appear on the next game. The only time such a character disappeared, it was Mewtwo, and even then they somehow replaced it with Lucario which has a relatively similar type of moveset.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

drakonium — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:17:19 GMT

Author: drakonium

Posted: 07/24/2013 07:17

I fucking love this game, and as pretty much everyone else here, I'm not really a fan of Brawl. I'm a monster at Melee though. And yeah, I'm totally hyped for the new characters so far.

The Plusle / Minun thing would be pretty great actually if they worked together like the Ice Climbers, and I'd really love it if they kept a Pokémon trainer, whatever generation (s)he's from (though the second or third one would be fantastic, I can't wait to play with Feraligatr or Grovyle). I'd like to see Boo (from Mario), too, but I seem to be the only one. Billy Hatcher (from the GameCube game of the same name) would be an extremely interesting addition too, if highly unlikely to happen. Paper Mario has the potential to have a completely different move set from Mario and would be great.

Anyway, I won't quote every suggestion I like so far because there would be way too much of them, but I'm particularly a fan of the Skullkid one. Why are you all like "I'd like ROB to stay"? Why would it leave? It was a great character with a very unique moveset, I don see any reason for it to not appear on the next game. The only time such a character disappeared, it was Mewtwo, and even then they somehow replaced it with Lucario which has a relatively similar type of moveset.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Jackwc — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 02:13:50 GMT

Author: Jackwc

Posted: 07/24/2013 06:13

All I need is Samus. All I've ever needed is Samus.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

EyeKanFly — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:17:27 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/24/2013 05:17

AlexZangari wrote:

Btw, Sakurai's said the stages will be different but the characters will be the same (Wii U gets stages based on console games, 3DS based on handheld).

I'm actually still a bit confused by this. I understand the stage part (and it makes sense, SOMETHING has to be different to get people to buy both versions 😉 )

But the character part was weird. I interpreted it as "the characters will be the same in both versions", but what Sakurai actually said (well, actually what the English translator said) was "the total number of characters [in the 3DS version] is the same as the WiiU version", so some people are interpreting this as: there will be exactly 45 (or whatever number) characters in the WiiU and 3DS versions, but the characters could be different. Some people are suggesting that since Wii Fit trainer has never appeared on a handheld, she might only appear on WiiU, with someone like Isaac in her place on the 3DS. Personally I think that's bull, I'm pretty sure the roster will be identical between the two versions.

Also so everyone knows, http://www.smashbros.com/ is the official site for the game, so you can get your info straight from the source as opposed to IGN or Reddit if you want.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

EyeKanFly — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:11:16 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/24/2013 05:11

AlexZangari wrote:

Captain Rainbow! Great pick! If Villager surprised you (as you were expecting Tom Nook), he was actually confirmed for Brawl as "Animal Crosser" but didn't make it in for some reason. I can't wait to see Villager's color changes though. Probably a female villager and some cool outfits.

Also I'm definitely on the Wii Fit Trainer hype train. She's been kinda universally mocked, but I for one think it's an awesome inclusion. That reveal was totally left-field for everybody.

As for stages, I'd like to see Eryth Sea from Xenoblade. That would be a beauty. Actually, any Xenoblade location would be awesome as I fucking love that game and its setting really deserves to be seen in HD. Also the highway stage from Sonic Adventure 2, SkyTown from Metroid Prime 3, and a Pokémon Stadium where there are actually trainers battling.

Not that I was expecting Tom Nook, I just would've preferred Tom Nook, but they're basically the same.

And I don't recall seeing anything about "Animal Crosser" in brawl, but I know that Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, Plusle&Minun, Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, and Roy were all found in the beta code (which I guess indicates that they were being developed and then abandoned). I understand that each game there are characters that Sakurai/dev team wanted to add but couldn't. I remember reading that Pit and Meowth were intended for 64, but the time constraints on that were too tight (and that Jigglypuff was added instead because it was easier to animate 🤣 , don't know how true the Jigglypuff part is though).

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:07:03 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/24/2013 05:07

JMan wrote:

I also wonder if there will be any differences between the Wii U and the 3DS versions and if there were some new way to connect the two through Wi-Fi to unlock more stuff.

Btw, Sakurai's said the stages will be different but the characters will be the same (Wii U gets stages based on console games, 3DS based on handheld).

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:01:34 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/24/2013 05:01

Captain Rainbow! Great pick! If Villager surprised you (as you were expecting Tom Nook), he was actually confirmed for Brawl as "Animal Crosser" but didn't make it in for some reason. I can't wait to see Villager's color changes though. Probably a female villager and some cool outfits.

Also I'm definitely on the Wii Fit Trainer hype train. She's been kinda universally mocked, but I for one think it's an awesome inclusion. That reveal was totally left-field for everybody.

As for stages, I'd like to see Eryth Sea from Xenoblade. That would be a beauty. Actually, any Xenoblade location would be awesome as I fucking love that game and its setting really deserves to be seen in HD. Also the highway stage from Sonic Adventure 2, SkyTown from Metroid Prime 3, and a Pokémon Stadium where there are actually trainers battling.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

EyeKanFly — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 00:38:55 GMT

Author: EyeKanFly

Posted: 07/24/2013 04:38

Aight so as someone who doesn't own either a WiiU or a 3DS (and probably never will), I'm still super pumped for this game. I'm a huge Smash fan, and (if I do say so myself) I'm fucking awesome at Smash 64. Was pretty good at Melee, but never got into it competitively. Brawl pissed me off competitively, but I play for fun sometimes.

As far as the already introduced characters go, of course Megaman is awesome and an Animal Crossing character is long awaited (Villager is cool, though I was expecting Tom Nook; the moveset is almost exactly what I envisioned for Nook though). And Wii Fit Trainer looks fucking awesome to play as. I'm sure it'll be a unique character. As far as new/modified characters go, here's my hopes and predictions:

Firstly, I'm hoping everyone will stay except Wolf, Toon Link, Lucario, and Pokemon Trainer (yes, I'd love ROB to come back). Hopefully Falco and Ganondorf will be de-clonified.

As far as new characters (like Alex, I've been thinking now about uniqueness of characters, using Wii Fit Trainer as an example).

some basics first:
1. Bowser Jr. (/Shadow Mario transformation)
2. Ridley
3. Krystal
4. Mewtwo (with new form as transformation)
5. Samurai Goroh (from F Zero)
6. Isaac (from Golden Sun)
7. Takamaru (from Japan only NES game): another swordsman, but could still be interesting

And as far as characters who would play uniquely:
8. Skull Kid (with Majora's Mask): a bit outdated, but could definitely be really cool
9. Sturm (from Advance Wars): could be very unique, and though he didn't actually really fight in his game, he could have a moveset made for Smash like Fox or Captain Falcon
10. Claus (from Mother 3): half psychic kid, half robot angel? Sounds cool enough
11. Waluigi: hear me out, I think he could play very interestingly, and his attacks could revolve around using golf clubs, tennis rackets, Mario Kart and Party items, etc. And mega creepy is definitely a good thing in this case. Even though he's a spinoff only character, he could still be a very interesting fighter in Smash
12. Captain Rainbow (from titular game): if you don't know who this is, just look him up. Japan only game, but it seems like it would be a fucking ridiculous character
13. Chibi-Robo: cutesy character like Olimar, could be interesting
14. Sukapon: ancient Nintendo fighting game character, with a backstory similar to Megaman, could be neat
15. Raymond Bryce (from Disaster: Day of Crisis): never released in the US, but EU and Australia got a release. He's a former Marine and essentially the closest Smash would have to an actual human being (though Snake's pretty much a normal human).

I'm sure there will be some new Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters, but I haven't really kept up on those two series (though I understand there's a new Pokemon game coming out soonish, and that Mewtwo has an alternate form).

Honestly I don't really care who they put in, the 3 newcomers already look awesome. Olimar's already confirmed in, and if they keep Game&Watch and R.O.B. I'll be happy, as those were some of the most unique and fun to play characters. It looks like all 3 WiiU/3DS newcomers will be joining this "unique" party.

As far as everything else goes, I want a stage based on the Super Mario Galaxy hub. That would be cool. The pirate ship from Brawl was one of my favorite levels, so hopefully they can bring that concept back, maybe as a Donkey Kong Country style stage or an aircraft carrier from Advance Wars. I also think Magicant (from Earthbound, basically Ness' trippy dream world) would be a cool stage, though unlikely. A Balloon Fight stage would be cool. Lastly, the island from Wii Fit would make for a nice Delfino Plaza-style stage.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:42:46 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/24/2013 00:42

JMan wrote:

If they put in another Starfox representative, Leon or Crystal are the most deserving. I think Crystal should be in so that there can be a totally different moveset for a Starfox character that relies less on speed and more on... magic, like Zelda perhaps? Fox, Falco, and Wolf's movesets are all too similar. That's why I'm so good with them. My best characters are Falco, Sonic, Wolf, Fox, Samus, possibly Meta Knight, Diddy, Donkey, and Yoshi.

Notice Wolf was one of the Brawl characters I left out of my roster.

Also, a Persona character is a good possibility since it looks like Nintendo is buying Atlus now

EDIT: Scratch that, if any Atlus character gets in, it's gonna be Flynn.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:27:03 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/23/2013 23:27

AlexZangari wrote:

31. Meta Knight (nerfed)
35. Chrom (Fire Emblem)
38. Bayonetta
43. Ray 01 (Custom Robo)
Travis (No More Heroes) - high doubts that Grasshopper and Nintendo (err... should I say Namco Bandai?) are chummy enough for this to happen, but Travis is too perfect for SSB to be ignored
Saki (Sin & Punishment) - he'd be pretty good for SSB, but I question his relevance

And, lastly: NO CLONES AT ALL.

If those things happen, that would make me happy. As for the last bit, as much as I would like that, there is no way it will happen.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:07:05 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 07/23/2013 23:07

If they put in another Starfox representative, Leon or Crystal are the most deserving. I think Crystal should be in so that there can be a totally different moveset for a Starfox character that relies less on speed and more on... magic, like Zelda perhaps? Fox, Falco, and Wolf's movesets are all too similar. That's why I'm so good with them. My best characters are Falco, Sonic, Wolf, Fox, Samus, possibly Meta Knight, Diddy, Donkey, and Yoshi.

Re: Super Smash Bros. Wii U & 3DS

AlexZangari — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:27:46 GMT

Author: AlexZangari

Posted: 07/23/2013 22:27

I could go on forever and start naming tonnes of highly unlikely possibilities for characters for the new Smash Bros., but I decided to limit myself (as the developers themselves are limited in what they can accomplish). I found that this led me to think more critically about what would be best for the game rather than what would be the coolest to see. My priorities changed. I stopped thinking things like "oh, the Zelda series definitely deserves another character, but Mario should have more than Zelda" and that got rid of a lot of the excess and ultimately made what I think is a very good list.

The number I chose to limit myself with was 48, as Nintendo had anticipated hitting that number in creating Brawl.

Confirmed:
1. Mario
2. Link
3. Kirby
4. Pikachu
5. Samus
6. Donkey Kong
7. Fox
8. Pit
9. Bowser
10. Villager
11. Mega Man
12. Wii Fit Trainer

Returning characters:

13. Yoshi
14. Captain Falcon
15. Ness
16. Jigglypuff
17. Ice Climbers
18. Zelda
19. Peach
20. Diddy Kong
21. Wario
22. Marth
23. Ike
24. Sonic
25. Mr. Game & Watch
26. King Dedede

Updated characters:

27. Falco (new moveset)
28. Mewtwo (both original and new formes implemented)
29. Olimar (with new Pikmin types implemented)
30. Luigi (new moveset, Poltergust implemented)
31. Meta Knight (nerfed)
32. Ganondorf (new moveset)

New characters:

33. Ridley (Metroid)
34. Johto Trainer (same concept as Pokémon Trainer but with Pokémon Gen. 2 starters)
35. Chrom (Fire Emblem)
36. Isaac (Golden Sun)
37. Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)
38. Bayonetta
39. Krystal (Starfox)
40. Pokey (...Porky? - EarthBound/Mother)
41. King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)
42. Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)
43. Ray 01 (Custom Robo)
44. Bowser Jr.
45. Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
46. Pac-Man
47. Rayman
48. Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Some "maybe" characters:

Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog) - possible substitute for Tails
Travis (No More Heroes) - high doubts that Grasshopper and Nintendo (err... should I say Namco Bandai?) are chummy enough for this to happen, but Travis is too perfect for SSB to be ignored
Saki (Sin & Punishment) - he'd be pretty good for SSB, but I question his relevance
Wolf - he'd be okay with a new moveset, but I'm already giving Falco (the other semi-clone of Fox) a new moveset, so I figured better to leave him out and throw Krystal in
Viewtiful Joe - this one's just too perfect. I figure the chance of Nintendo/Namco Bandai letting in a character from a second Capcom series is a bit slim though.
Klonoa - with the inclusion of third parties, there obviously needs to be a Namco Bandai-owned character. Pac-Man is the obvious choice - iconic - but Klonoa would just go so well with SSB
R.O.B. - he wasn't the best or the most relevant, but he's a veteran who's at least somewhat different in his fighting style
Starfy - a lot of the "universes" mentioned here that would be new to SSB (Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Custom Robo) just aren't very... cute. Starfy would be an adorable addition, but he'd also quite literally be a fish out of water.
Professor Layton - this is an interesting choice. It's easy to imagine him in SSB, but hard to imagine what kind of moves he would use. I'm including him here regardless due to a mysterious tweet from Nintendo back when Brawl was in development that seemed to hint at him joining the roster.

Some "please no" characters:

Waluigi and Birdo - both for the same reason. People only suggest these two because they get thrown into Mario Karts and Parties and various sports, etc. They are both irrelevant characters who were put into Mario Tennis because Wario and Yoshi needed partners (Waluigi was seriously invented for this purpose only, meanwhile Birdo was pulled from obscurity as a one-game Mario enemy) and ever since they've been weaseling their way into the rosters of multiplayer Mario spin-offs, nowhere to be seen in any canonical Mario titles. Anyone who wants these characters in most likely lacks the ability or knowledge to come up with the probable hundreds of better options. Honestly, I've seen both of them on wishlists under "Wario universe" and "Yoshi universe" respectively. Plus, they're both mega-creepy.
Shadow - Too similar to Sonic and not as important as Knuckles or Tails.

And, lastly: NO CLONES AT ALL.