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Re: Groups (maybe this time)

NickVolos — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:39:57 GMT

Author: NickVolos

Posted: 11/15/2013 17:39

I like the idea of groups only as it pertains to music-related groups.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

SingingPeasant96 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:14:43 GMT

Author: SingingPeasant96

Posted: 11/15/2013 15:14

Patman360 wrote:

I think the site is perfect as is.

Right, I often use RYM for some informations and recs, but BEA is much better to hang around 😄

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 07:57:28 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/15/2013 12:57

albummaster wrote:

Everybody's ideas really help to improve the site. Even discussing ideas that don't get implemented helps to validate what's currently happening, and even if an idea starts off as something that not everybody agrees with, with a few brains working on it in the forums, it can often change into something that gets implemented.

That's the spirit �'�

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 06:50:45 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/15/2013 11:50

To my best knowledge, we do have groups: http://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=171281

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Behrus58 — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 06:11:31 GMT

Author: Behrus58

Posted: 11/15/2013 11:11

albummaster wrote:

I agree with Behrus58 that there is a problem with new member retention. However, to be fair, I think a lot of websites struggle with that (& some much bigger sites than BEA). Are groups the answer to this problem? I'm not sure.

We've debated before about having 'champions' updating their favourite artist bios etc, but many problems were raised with that idea when it was discussed before.

As Romanelli alluded to, each change has to be assessed in terms of its overall usefulness (& fit) to BEA, & also the time that it would take to implement it. There are currently over 250 changes in the queue for development, and I'm not far off implementing a site update containing about 50 of these (mostly harvested from the forums).

Everybody's ideas really help to improve the site. Even discussing ideas that don't get implemented helps to validate what's currently happening, and even if an idea starts off as something that not everybody agrees with, with a few brains working on it in the forums, it can often change into something that gets implemented.

Thanks a lot. Agreed
Yeah we'll surely leave this for now,BEA is still growing slowly,but what matters is that it's growing

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

albummaster — Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:52:18 GMT

Author: albummaster

Posted: 11/15/2013 08:52

I agree with Behrus58 that there is a problem with new member retention. However, to be fair, I think a lot of websites struggle with that (& some much bigger sites than BEA). Are groups the answer to this problem? I'm not sure.

We've debated before about having 'champions' updating their favourite artist bios etc, but many problems were raised with that idea when it was discussed before.

As Romanelli alluded to, each change has to be assessed in terms of its overall usefulness (& fit) to BEA, & also the time that it would take to implement it. There are currently over 250 changes in the queue for development, and I'm not far off implementing a site update containing about 50 of these (mostly harvested from the forums).

Everybody's ideas really help to improve the site. Even discussing ideas that don't get implemented helps to validate what's currently happening, and even if an idea starts off as something that not everybody agrees with, with a few brains working on it in the forums, it can often change into something that gets implemented.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:29:48 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/14/2013 19:29

I can answer 4 and 5. I don't think there should be any point system for groups, and I don't think Behrus is attempting to pressure AM into making groups. I've made polls before in the suggestions forum, because I just wanted top see what people wanted. Of course, I knew the final decision was always from Album-man.

Behrus58 wrote:

Yeah but albummaster usually agrees with the users doesn't he?
He wants to make BEA be a better place for the users.

Not necessarily. I've seen AM disagree with the users quite often. Not just with my threads, but with plenty of others. I'd say it's around 50-50, but all in all there are many other functions that people are waiting for. Plus, how many groups are users going to make? One? Five? Twenty in a week? What would be the max? That's my only concern. If people make too many threads, there should be no point system because people could just make more and more groups. I'd say you should reach a certain level before making a group. 7 or 8, IMO. Even then, (take it from a guy who rushed to get to 10,000 points), there should be a max of how many threads a user can make. I'd say five. I like the idea of groups, and I think it would help raise awareness. However, I think AM's got a lot on his plate, so I abstain from the vote for now.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Romanelli — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:37 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 11/14/2013 17:46

Behrus58 wrote:

Yeah but albummaster usually agrees with the users doesn't he?
He wants to make BEA be a better place for the users.

My understanding is that AM usually goes with what works for the site, if it adds value to the site, and if the work that would go into making the change will be worth the return.

I would ask:

1) What would groups actually add to the site that isn't already here on the forums and comment areas on charts, albums and songs?

2) Your poll will show approximately the number of votes that equal the number of people who regularly participate in the forums. These are people who are already using the social functions that exist...but they are also a minority of the members on the site. You and I are here already interacting, and we would probably utilize groups. Your vote will likely reflect that. But would having groups really encourage more people to be visible participants on BEA? What about the thousands who will NOT vote?

3) How much work would it be for AM to add this to the site and make it work properly?

4) What, if any, effect would anything to do with groups have on chart scoring or the user point system? And how easy would it be to make those changes work with the systems already in place?

5) Is it really fair to attempt to pressure AM into making changes you want by way of polling? I think there's a difference between making a suggestion and seeing if it sticks and trying to force it into being with the pressure of a vote.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Behrus58 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:30:32 GMT

Author: Behrus58

Posted: 11/14/2013 17:30

Romanelli wrote:

The decision is not ours. It's albummaster's decision. No matter what your poll says.

Yeah but albummaster usually agrees with the users doesn't he?
He wants to make BEA be a better place for the users.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Romanelli — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:28:27 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 11/14/2013 17:28

Behrus58 wrote:

agreed. Poll is added now.This will be the decision.

The decision is not ours. It's albummaster's decision. No matter what your poll says.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Behrus58 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:24:52 GMT

Author: Behrus58

Posted: 11/14/2013 17:24

tekin wrote:

Yeah I agree. But it could've been helpful if there was a poll or sth.

agreed. Poll is added now.This will be the decision.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:18:41 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/14/2013 17:18

Yeah I agree. But it could've been helpful if there was a poll or sth.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Romanelli — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:42:01 GMT

Author: Romanelli

Posted: 11/14/2013 16:42

Behrus58 wrote:

so what now?Do most of us agree with groups?

No.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

MrFrogger — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:50:39 GMT

Author: MrFrogger

Posted: 11/14/2013 15:50

Behrus58 wrote:

so what now?Do most of us agree with groups?

No not at all

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Behrus58 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:29:37 GMT

Author: Behrus58

Posted: 11/14/2013 15:29

DarkSideOfTheComputer wrote:

I like the fact that we are all passionate about music and have an extensive knowledge of music trivia. if it grows we'll probably attract narrow minded airheads.

The fact that BEA will grow is unstopable.so it's usless not to try to make BEA better.
Groups can make a big improvement.specially the competition that will be made.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

DarkSideOfTheComputer — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:04:50 GMT

Author: DarkSideOfTheComputer

Posted: 11/14/2013 15:04

I like the fact that we are all passionate about music and have an extensive knowledge of music trivia. if it grows we'll probably attract narrow minded airheads.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Behrus58 — Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:02:04 GMT

Author: Behrus58

Posted: 11/14/2013 15:02

so what now?Do most of us agree with groups?

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:30:11 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2013 22:30

Behrus58 wrote:

Agreed.This is one of the main points our site is missing.A lot of people that join the site first just come to make a chart and see the overall chart and then ... then what ??? nothing ! The new user is new to the forum and when he/she sees a group of people in the forum that know each other ... they just think this is not their place.if u know what i mean.

So what's the best way ? after our new user makes a chart , now it's time to find some people that have a "Similar taste" like him/her.And these people can be found on specific groups.So that user easily joins the group.

And about liking BEA as a little place... I don't know what to say.It's somehow strange because the more people join this site and make charts->the more detailed our BEA chart will be.
If you like BEA small then you have no problem with an album getting in the top 1000 of our site with only getting into 20 charts.

It's time to make this site bigger because BEA has the potential for it

I just came to make a chart and see the overall charts, but then I saw a group of people in the forum that knew each other. Despite the different tastes and opinions they would always make me have a nice time reading those posts. When I finally decided to post something, every single person that answered tried to make me comfortable and recommend stuff to me 😁 I don't think THAT is a good reason for creating groups.

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:26:19 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2013 21:26

tekin wrote:

I like this cozy little place; don't wanna see it turn to fucking rym.

Definitely agree with this, and I'm not sure what purpose groups would serve, really...

Re: Groups (maybe this time)

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:03:13 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 11/13/2013 20:03

Actually I don't care about what's on our charts and what isn't. People just make charts and put albums in it, I'm fine with it. I'd have no problem if Crazy Frog was our #1.