Best Ever Albums

Re: Cool is the exception

Anonymous — Sun, 9 Mar 2014 10:21:46 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/09/2014 14:21

http://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=11771

I made an emo chart a while ago. Haven't updated in a while, but it's certainly got some stuff people'll like.

As far as post grunge goes, I tend to like Local H, Everclear (which I personally don't think belong to post grunge, but I'm always willing to promote some of my favorites), Live, Alter Bridge, Blind Melon, and Our Lady peace

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sun, 9 Mar 2014 00:46:28 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/09/2014 05:46

Crappy double post, but to the topic nature I'd like to jump back to post-grunge and share some of the few stuff I like from the genre.

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Though, I never really considered Everclear post-grunge, but hey.

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 02:00:06 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 07:00

I'm glad to be able to be helpful, at any rate. It's a rough and pretty dissonant genre once you get past the midwest indie scene; took me a few years being into hardcore punk and a bit of extreme metal before I had an ear for it.

Re: Cool is the exception

benpaco — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:56:58 GMT

Author: benpaco

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:56

Gowienczyk wrote:

But the issues to me is that I had to do it, because nothing else was given beforehand and every time I talk about the origins of emo I get more and more tired about it. I've said this thing nearly every year since 2005.

To clarify since I'm one of the ones who didn't "get" it - I don't get the genre and your post is really informative and I'm glad you shared it. I'm used to society's definition of pop-emo I suppose, things like MCR and AFI. There's so much more there that I need to dig into.

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:37:19 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:37

But the issues to me is that I had to do it, because nothing else was given beforehand and every time I talk about the origins of emo I get more and more tired about it. I've said this thing nearly every year since 2005.

Re: Cool is the exception

RockyRaccoon — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:35:53 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:35

Gowienczyk wrote:

But not every regular or member of this site is informed to say the least, I mean benpaco didn’t seem to understand it one way or another and nobody really gave an informative conclusive answer before jumping into scene-emo jokes and references. Which is definitely an issue to me since as music fanatics who are supposed to have their shit straight shouldn’t do things like that. Being helpful is the most important thing next to being educational.

A lot of my stigma has to do with the collective ignorance I run on to every site and it was very morbid for me to see a seemingly bit of wrong information listed in front of a style of music I particularly enjoy and respect.

And if this is the case, if someone is not aware of this, after reading our exchanges on this thread, they will become aware. You gave a very good summary and a very good set of examples as to what emo music actually is.

Re: Cool is the exception

Anonymous — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:33:14 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:33

Scenecore is easily the worst "style/genre/etc" of music that I have ever heard

Sickens me every time I hear it

Not to mention the whole stigma and scene around it

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:26:29 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:26

But not every regular or member of this site is informed to say the least, I mean benpaco didn’t seem to understand it one way or another and nobody really gave an informative conclusive answer before jumping into scene-emo jokes and references. Which is definitely an issue to me since as music fanatics who are supposed to have their shit straight shouldn’t do things like that. Being helpful is the most important thing next to being educational.

A lot of my stigma has to do with the collective ignorance I run on to every site and it was very morbid for me to see a seemingly bit of wrong information listed in front of a style of music I particularly enjoy and respect.

Re: Cool is the exception

RockyRaccoon — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:21:05 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:21

Gowienczyk wrote:

I find that a bad excuse and only lends to the purpose of continuing to keep those who don’t know about any of that ignorant or misinformed. The above of which I wrote I was going to edit in my post, but I saw you replied. But you are right in the sense that blatantly incorrect pop culture history was made and that it is generally unrepairable. But it is forgettable, if we start remembering to call it a different name or perhaps what it is (pop-rock) then it’s a much more preferable start.

I’ve been on music websites for a long while and calling My Chemical Romance and their peers as emo-anything simply reinforces bad knowledge.

It also makes me upset and drives me to quit forums quicker than a troll post hating ambient music does. :(

I will agree that that genre of music, whatever you want to call it (scene music, mall scene emo, whatever) is incorrectly labeled as emo and that there is a distinct difference between that music and the emo music that continues to this day (as opposed to that music that died out quickly), this is all fine for talking amongst people like us, people who know music.

But no matter what we may decide to call it, it will continue to still be known as emo music, however erroneously, because of how widespread and popular it was. It has and most likely always will be referred to as such. Is this ok, is this bad, that's a matter of opinion. Personally I think it to be fairly irrelevant, but that's just my opinion. In what I was talking about earlier, I was speaking specifically about what is (incorrectly) referred to as emo, speaking only within those confines.

In the end, you know, I know, I would say this whole forum (the regulars at least) know, that emo music is different from that movement, and that's good. But just because we know that isn't going to change what it's called amongst the general public. To use an analogy, no matter what, the general public is going to keep thinking Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, even though we all know it was Joseph Swan, and it is likely that nothing is going to change that.

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:06:25 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:06

The entirety of the comments above greatly disappoint me as well as nearly drive me to the brink of a silent rage. Let me give you some background here, the musical history and an understanding of “emo” is something I am very much familiar with as it was one of the earliest things I researched back to the start and the root of all of it. I’ve discussed it at length with people who’ve been with the scene since the early nineties and some of them even go all the way to the start. Before I sort of start here I will say this much; for a community that prides itself against ignorance and being informed it has extremely dropped the ball here—and I’m not thrilled about it, actually, I’m rather emotional about it.

Emo was originally coined by an idiot journalist from Thrasher magazine, if I remember correctly, which Ian MacKaye of Embrace had a big thing to say about it.

“Okay, I must say one thing. I must say emo(core) is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I read in my Thrasher the other day—that in fact, what my band, along with other bands from the city was playing emo(core). I’m thinking… Emo? Emo Phillips, comedian? I know emotional hardcore… as if hardcore wasn’t emotional to begin with. It’s ca-ca.” – 1986, Ian MacKaye

Despite this “stupid as shit” terminology it stuck and these punk bands who were more personal than political began to be called emotional hardcore which was eventually shortened to emo. Later in the 1990s a bunch of small time rock bands with pop sensibilities began to pick up on the style and added the harsh sort of personal clutched vocal delivery as well as the sloppy, almost deconstructive noise punk guitar sections. At the same time bands in another area (which became ‘emo-violence’) took the harshness of the style of punk music in another direction, sort of continuing where Embrace left off whilst the Midwest Emo scene (which was just indie rock with emo influences) began to cook.

Why did pop-rock bands that sound more like Blink-182 than any of the things I mentioned get labeled as emo (see: scene emo/mall emo)? Simply because Gerard Way and a bunch of others happened to like bands like Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, and Sunny Day Real Estate. All of which being from the previously mentioned Midwest emo scene. But nothing in these bands (My Chemical Romance, Hawthorne Heights) represented anything from “emo” music. It’s not that they were commercial or polished; but simply did not hold ANY attributes of what at that point made an actual band in the style. But journalists began to joke around and reach for idiotic conclusions like they tend to do. So… history was made.

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I would venture to say that there is a distinct difference between emo as we know it, the musically educated (the legitimate genre), and emo as the general public knows it, the musically uneducated (the cultural movement, if you can call it that). I was referring to the latter, of which I experienced a lot of in my early teens, knowing a lot of people very much involved in it.

Emo is most certainly a legitimate genre that continues to the present, I'm very much aware of that, however it was also the name of (whether correctly or incorrectly) a major pop culture movement that occurred in the early to mid 2000s. That's why I referred to it in my prior post as the popular emo movement.

Re: Cool is the exception

RockyRaccoon — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 01:01:31 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 03/08/2014 06:01

Gowienczyk wrote:

No no no no no.

Rocky, I like you, but everything about that "emo" post is objectively wrong on all fronts. I'm actually sick and tired how mall-scene pop-rock got labeled as something that was still making music in it's actual format. Emo is poetic with a lot of soft/harsh jumps in a punk rock atmosphere with harsh outward vocals.

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First Generation:

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Current Generation:

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Midwest Emo-inspired Indie Rock:

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Emo is not and was never in any capacity Blink182-inspired pop music. The only reason those bands were ever called emo was due to ignorance and those bands liking early Jimmy Eat World, Sunny Day Real Estate, and basically all of those indie rock bands that were influenced by aspects of the actual genre of emotive hardcore.

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:02:13 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 05:02

RockyRaccoon wrote:

Now we're starting to mix emo with pop/punk, the latter being what I consider AAR to really be

I mean, they released that song on an album with this cover:

I know that The Black Parade and the album after that weren't emo at all, but before that, yea, they were pretty emo.

Although if you want THE best example of an emo album, look no further than this:

With songs like these:

Now THAT is the emo movement in a nutshell, at least, the popular emo movement.

Re: Cool is the exception

mickilennial — Fri, 7 Mar 2014 23:58:15 GMT

Author: mickilennial

Posted: 03/08/2014 04:58

ButterThumbz wrote:

I always thought emo was short for emotional hardcore... then again, I'm old.

Emotive Hardcore, but yes. Most publications and pseudo-journalism about emocore is pretty awful.

Re: Cool is the exception

latenighttv — Tue, 4 Mar 2014 06:52:12 GMT

Author: latenighttv

Posted: 03/04/2014 11:52

Thought I might add a bunch of post-grunge tracks that I think are well worth a listen

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Re: Cool is the exception

RockyRaccoon — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:26:19 GMT

Author: RockyRaccoon

Posted: 03/01/2014 03:26

sp4cetiger wrote:

And yet Gerard Way insists that they aren't (weren't) emo. But should the band have any say in how they're classified?

I mean, they released that song on an album with this cover:

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I know that The Black Parade and the album after that weren't emo at all, but before that, yea, they were pretty emo.

Although if you want THE best example of an emo album, look no further than this:

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"A Beautiful Lie" - 30 Seconds To Mars

With songs like these:

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Now THAT is the emo movement in a nutshell, at least, the popular emo movement.

Re: Cool is the exception

ButterThumbz — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:05:30 GMT

Author: ButterThumbz

Posted: 02/28/2014 17:05

sp4cetiger wrote:

And yet Gerard Way insists that they aren't (weren't) emo. But should the band have any say in how they're classified?

I seem to recall Massive Attack hating being refered to as trip-hop but it'd would be difficult not to think of them as one of the bands that defined that genre.

Re: Cool is the exception

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:53:27 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/28/2014 16:53

RockyRaccoon wrote:

Now we're starting to mix emo with pop/punk, the latter being what I consider AAR to really be. Pop/punk and emo share some characteristics but I think they're definitely different.

When I think of the perfect example of an emo song, I think of this:

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And yet Gerard Way insists that they aren't (weren't) emo. But should the band have any say in how they're classified?

Re: Cool is the exception

ButterThumbz — Fri, 28 Feb 2014 06:27:19 GMT

Author: ButterThumbz

Posted: 02/28/2014 11:27

Goodsir wrote:

It really doesn't sound like emo at all to me. Emo is short for emotional, and I felt no emotion listening to that.

I always thought emo was short for emotional hardcore... then again, I'm old.

Re: Cool is the exception

creator — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:12:12 GMT

Author: creator

Posted: 02/28/2014 04:12

RockyRaccoon wrote:

Now we're starting to mix emo with pop/punk, the latter being what I consider AAR to really be. Pop/punk and emo share some characteristics but I think they're definitely different.

Yeah, I mistakingly considered every band I listened to when I was a teenager as emo, even though were mostly pop punk. Toward the end of the 90's/early 2000's, there was definitely some crossover though with bands like the Get Up Kids, Saves the Day, and the Promise Ring.

The earliest emo bands were influenced by indie rock and post-hardcore. There are a lot of soft/loud clean broken-chord/overdriven power chord dynamics in the music and the lyrics are typically very personal.

Re: Cool is the exception

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:52:17 GMT

Author: Anonymous

Posted: 02/28/2014 02:52

RockyRaccoon wrote:

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That is one terrible song.