Album of the day (#3838): Tea For The Tillerman

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Today's album of the day

Tea For The Tillerman by Cat Stevens (View album | Buy this album)

Year: 1970.
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Overall rank: 489
Average rating: 81/100 (from 602 votes).



Tracks:
1. Where Do The Children Play?
2. Hard Headed Woman
3. Wild World
4. Sad Lisa
5. Miles From Nowhere
6. But I Might Die Tonight
7. Longer Boats
8. Into White
9. On The Road To Find Out
10. Father And Son
11. Tea For The Tillerman

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arguably the least controversial album ever.
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DommeDamian wrote:
arguably the least controversial album ever.

lol

It is a good album though, sometimes I'll put it on just to listen to a song or 2 and I always find myself listening to the whole thing.
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DommeDamian wrote:
arguably the least controversial album ever.


I'm up for the challenge Laughing

Wild World's status as a commercial success and fan favorite is wholly undeserved. It is one of the most condescendingly sexist songs ever to become a pop hit.
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baystateoftheart wrote:
I'm up for the challenge Laughing

Wild World's status as a commercial success and fan favorite is wholly undeserved. It is one of the most condescendingly sexist songs ever to become a pop hit.


How is it sexist?

And I meant least controversial as in I have not heard that many people bash it online; they like it or are not mentioning it.
I actually took the statement from a RYM comment on the album.
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Apparently Wild World isn't about a woman, it's about Stevens himself (https://www.songfacts.com/facts/cat-stevens/wild-world). Which I didn't know until just now. I had heard it described as being very condescending and sexist before instead. And to be honest, I can kind of see it.
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indieshins wrote:
Apparently Wild World isn't about a woman, it's about Stevens himself (https://www.songfacts.com/facts/cat-stevens/wild-world). Which I didn't know until just now. I had heard it described as being very condescending and sexist before instead. And to be honest, I can kind of see it.


I don't believe that 2009 'clarification.' He constantly says "girl" in the song. I heard that he regretted the lyrics and has distanced himself from their original meaning.

DommeDamian wrote:
How is it sexist?


It is a very condescending and infantilizing song with sentiments that would never be addressed to a man.

Wikipedia wrote:
In her 1971 essay "But Now I'm Gonna Move," critic Ellen Willis described a method of revealing male bias in lyrics in which the listener imagines the genders reversed:

By this test, a diatribe like 'Under My Thumb' is not nearly so sexist in its implications as, for example, Cat Stevens's gentle, sympathetic 'Wild World'; Jagger's fantasy of sweet revenge could easily be female—in fact, it has a female counterpart, Nancy Sinatra's 'Boots' — but it's hard to imagine a woman sadly warning her ex-lover that he's too innocent for the big bad world out there.[7]

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I always assumed Wild World was a father to daughter song. Never entered my mind that it is for a departing lover. Seems better as a song about a father's fears for his daughter ( even with the word baby in the song a lot)

I guess people could still find it sexist even with that interpretation. I don't, but have never really thought about it before.
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I think whatever the interpretation of Wild World is, he is directing the words to a specific person. He is not directing them to a whole group of people. So it would be a stretch to say its biased against an entire group. If a woman you are breaking up with is very innocent and that song makes sense for this real person or character, then that is directed to that person, and maybe it is correct to direct those words and sentiments at this individual. If you just broke up with a guy and he is a real dick and you write a song about a fucking dickish brutish fuck boy, while not generalizing all guys that way, you can't say that is a message biased against all men. Same goes for this. Maybe that woman really was a naive innocent lady that he rightfully was concerned for, is my point.
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Mercury wrote:
I think whatever the interpretation of Wild World is, he is directing the words to a specific person. He is not directing them to a whole group of people. So it would be a stretch to say its biased against an entire group. If a woman you are breaking up with is very innocent and that song makes sense for this real person or character, then that is directed to that person, and maybe it is correct to direct those words and sentiments at this individual. If you just broke up with a guy and he is a real dick and you write a song about a fucking dickish brutish fuck boy, while not generalizing all guys that way, you can't say that is a message biased against all men. Same goes for this. Maybe that woman really was a naive innocent lady that he rightfully was concerned for, is my point.


By that logic it's hard for anything directed to a specific person to be sexist. I disagree with that premise.
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