I agree with others that this isn't as great as Blue, but it's still an incredible album and one I play a lot. It feels more mature than Blue, although I think the groundwork was already there in their debut - No Other One would fit great alongside the songs in Pinkerton, in terms of its theme at least.
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What do you guys think of that angle? Was Rivers making fun of his melodramatic attitude, or does it really endorse this "nice guy" ideology?
For me it's somewhere in between - I always got the idea that he was admitting to this kind of behavior but was kind of embarrassed by it. Granted that requires you to take the songs at face value and believe that it's him saying these things and not some character he created, but I have a hard time believing he would create such specific details (the letter in Across the Sea, the story in Pink Triangle) if he wasn't drawing on personal experience. I've always thought the opener and closer summed up the album nicely, as both involve him apologizing for his actions or admitting his womanizing still leaves him empty. Again this requires you to believe everything he's saying but I tend to do so in this case. _________________ And it's hard to be a human being. And it's harder as anything else.
This albums is soooo bloody perfect. I don't have adequate words to describe its greatness. And it's CONSIDERABLY better than The Blue Album. It's more detailed, emotional, well written, flows better and is just the greater sonic experience. The Blue Album is still a masterful pop punk rock album, but not in this album's territory. _________________ -Ryan
how far is the gap between Rivers being mad at women rejecting him and Eliot Rodger?
In a culture that elevates pop stars to the status of demigods, we shouldn't be surprised to hear tinges of narcissism in their lyrics. Even in the most extreme cases, however, narcissists don't usually go out and start killing people... so I'd say that gap is pretty huge.
for how far is the gap between Rivers being mad at women rejecting him and Eliot Rodger?
Why exactly are you asking this?
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What do you guys think of that angle? Was Rivers making fun of his melodramatic attitude, or does it really endorse this "nice guy" ideology?
I think neither of these. A majority of the lyrical content (save for a few sections), as I interpret it, don't have this same angle as you like to interpret it as.
EDIT: I just want to clarify that if you want to continue this vein of dialogue, then you should quote the passages you feel best represent your perspective so I have a better understanding of what you're saying.
Cuomo Rivers misogyny is one of the more interesting things in 90's rock lyrics. At one point in my life I really related to the frustrations expressed by Rivers, but nowadays some of his songs are slightly unsettling. I haven't found any quotes of his own about how sincere, satirical, or self-aware his lyrics are meant to be. But at least I ran into this:
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