There's something oddly defensive and aloof about the way you post. Your posts also give me the impression that you think your opinion is more worthy than the vast majority of others'.
Agreed. I feel far too embarrassed to submit my list, which features both some foppish indie-pop and Gremlins 2 - The New Batch.
There's something oddly defensive and aloof about the way you post. Your posts also give me the impression that you think your opinion is more worthy than the vast majority of others'.
Is this to me? If so, it is an interesting, broad generality, but sorry, I am not introverted enough to bother much with this tactic, and I think you're missing the overall picture.
You may want to take a step back and look at the following:
(1) This is a poll I am managing in conjunction with (and sometimes "against" apparently) many different opinions, wants/suggestions, etc.
(2) The poll had already started with various rules, before being introduced here, with several others having already voted, so some stances had to be taken in order to preserve what had already happened. And also the other reasons already stated in many different posts.
If the songs thing is such a big deal, just do your own poll! I myself would probably submit an entry! _________________ Best Classical Best Films Best Paintings
Mainly because the poll had already started without sports before being introduced here. Additionally, if you look up definitions of art, sports aren't generally included. Though, in a very broad sense, I am sure they could be. There are many athletes and moments that would deserve mention, no doubt! _________________ Best Classical Best Films Best Paintings
Agreed. I feel far too embarrassed to submit my list, which features both some foppish indie-pop and Gremlins 2 - The New Batch.
Why? You should submit whatever you feel is worthy. You dont have to participate if you dont want to, but I sure as hell wouldn't be holding a poll of all the things if I didn't want your opinion. _________________ Best Classical Best Films Best Paintings
pretty haphazard, obvious over-reliance on music and limited in the visual art department. couldn't be assed to evaluate books as art since I don't read literature and already think it's weird comparing ancient ceremonial spaces to modern pop albums, let alone trying to evaluate scientific or philosophical contributions to human thought and rank them against things that provoke an affective response. also my video game picks are just kind of the "lately these have felt like art" token pics from the medium moreso than a firm statement that those two are the best video games ever/far better than art not included on this list. also wish i had "singular" works from various eras of ceramic production in various parts of the world to round out the list a bit better
Ancestral Puebloans: Pueblo Bonito (ca. 800)
Johann Sebastian Bach: St. John Passion (1724)
Ludwig van Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 (1826)
Horatiu Radulescu: Das Andere (1983)
Sofia Gubaidulina: Sieben Worte (1982)
Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (1981)
Incas: Machu Picchu (1450)
The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita, and Taku Unami: Quartet (2005)
Alain Resnais: Last Year at Marienbad (1961)
Mark Rothko: Rothko Chapel (1971)
Franz Schubert: Piano Quintet in A Major "The Trout" (1819)
Arthur Russell: World of Echo (1986)
PPNA Peoples: Gobekli Tepe (ca. 10th-8th millennium BC)
Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 (1908-1909)
Elysia Crampton: American Drift (2015)
Teotihuacanos: Pyramid of the Sun (ca. 200)
Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis (1971)
Alfred Schnittke: Symphony No. 1 (1969-1974)
Anton Webern: 5 Movements for String Quartet (1909)
Anton Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 (1891-1896)
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica (1969)
Wong Kar-Wai: Chungking Express (1994)
Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished (2000)
Unknown Sumerian: Warka Vessel (ca. 3200-3000 BC)
Giacinto Scelsi: Konx-Om-Pax (1969)
Stanley Kubrick: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)
Le Corbusier: Carpenter Center for the Visual Arts (1963)
Kasimir Malevich: "Supremus No. 56" (1916)
Nico: Desertshore
Dziga Vertov: Man with a Movie Camera (1929)
Masaaki Yuasa: Mind Game (2004)
Apichatpong Weerasethakul: Blissfully Yours (2002)
Gas: Pop (2000)
Jean-Luc Godard: Weekend (1967)
Alban Berg: Lyrische Suite (1926)
Mark Rappaport: The Scenic Route (1978)
Fumito Ueda: The Last Guardian (2016)
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)
pretty haphazard, obvious over-reliance on music and limited in the visual art department. couldn't be assed to evaluate books as art since I don't read literature and already think it's weird comparing ancient ceremonial spaces to modern pop albums, let alone trying to evaluate scientific or philosophical contributions to human thought and rank them against things that provoke an affective response. also my video game picks are just kind of the "lately these have felt like art" token pics from the medium moreso than a firm statement that those two are the best video games ever/far better than art not included on this list. also wish i had "singular" works from various eras of ceramic production in various parts of the world to round out the list a bit better
Ancestral Puebloans: Pueblo Bonito (ca. 800)
Johann Sebastian Bach: St. John Passion (1724)
Ludwig van Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 (1826)
Horatiu Radulescu: Das Andere (1983)
Sofia Gubaidulina: Sieben Worte (1982)
Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (1981)
Incas: Machu Picchu (1450)
The Velvet Underground: The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
Nikos Veliotis, Taku Sugimoto, Kazushige Kinoshita, and Taku Unami: Quartet (2005)
Alain Resnais: Last Year at Marienbad (1961)
Mark Rothko: Rothko Chapel (1971)
Franz Schubert: Piano Quintet in A Major "The Trout" (1819)
Arthur Russell: World of Echo (1986)
PPNA Peoples: Gobekli Tepe (ca. 10th-8th millennium BC)
Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 (1908-1909)
Elysia Crampton: American Drift (2015)
Teotihuacanos: Pyramid of the Sun (ca. 200)
Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis (1971)
Alfred Schnittke: Symphony No. 1 (1969-1974)
Anton Webern: 5 Movements for String Quartet (1909)
Anton Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 (1891-1896)
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica (1969)
Wong Kar-Wai: Chungking Express (1994)
Avey Tare and Panda Bear: Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished (2000)
Unknown Sumerian: Warka Vessel (ca. 3200-3000 BC)
Giacinto Scelsi: Konx-Om-Pax (1969)
Stanley Kubrick: 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Wim Wenders: Paris, Texas (1984)
Le Corbusier: Carpenter Center for the Visual Arts (1963)
Kasimir Malevich: "Supremus No. 56" (1916)
Nico: Desertshore
Dziga Vertov: Man with a Movie Camera (1929)
Masaaki Yuasa: Mind Game (2004)
Apichatpong Weerasethakul: Blissfully Yours (2002)
Gas: Pop (2000)
Jean-Luc Godard: Weekend (1967)
Alban Berg: Lyrische Suite (1926)
Mark Rappaport: The Scenic Route (1978)
Fumito Ueda: The Last Guardian (2016)
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)
Very interesting, and yes, it's tough to make all those comparisons, but tends to lead to some unique lists. Thank you! _________________ Best Classical Best Films Best Paintings
I spent almost no time actually thinking about this and almost submitted The Joshua Tree by U2 out of spite because this was so frustrating hahahahaha.
I'd like to revisit this someday, but this is what I have now:
1 Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (1876)
2 Critique of Pure Reason by Kant (1781)
3 The Scream of Nature by Edvard Munch (1893)
4 Beethoven's 9th (1824)
5 To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation by Martin Luther (1520)
6 The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh (1889)
7 Vivaldi's 4 seasons (1725)
8 Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's (1829)
9 Nathan the Wise by Lessing (1779)
10 The Rite of Spring by Igor Stravinsky (1913)
11 Ágætis Byrjun by Sigur Rós (blah blah blah)
12 Metropolis by Fritz Lang (1927)
13 Rue Mosnier with Flags by Édouard Manet (1878)
14 New World Symphony by Antonín Dvořák (1893)
15 The Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson (1776)
16 The Communist Manifesto by Marx & Engels (1848)
17 Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln (1863)
18 Animal Farm (1945)
19 Nikolaikirche by Erich Loest (1997)
20 The Magic Flute by Mozart (1791)
21 Symphony No. 1 by Gustav Mahler (1889)
22 Appalacian Spring by Aaron Copland (1944)
23 Brazil (1985)
24 Sunrise (Marine) by Claude Monet (1873)
25 Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov (1888)
26 Hildebrandslied by Oral Tradition (830)
27 Ploughman and Death by Johannes von Tepl (1401)
28 Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme by Simon & Garfunkel (1966)
29 Irises by Vincen van Gogh (1889)
30 The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)
31 Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkein (1937-1949)
32 Harry Potter (1997-2007) The marrying of two concepts that I love - the simplicity of teen literature (see my pop comment later) and the depth of cultural history combined... it's actually a bit deeper than you might realize.
33 Powaqqatsi by Philip Glass(1998)
34 The Joshua Tree by U2 (1987)
35 Sgt. Peppers by the Beatles (1967)
36 Nevermind by Nirvana (1991)
37 Here's Little Richard by Little Richard (1957)
38 Pet Sounds by Brian Wilson (let's be real here) (1966) and tied for that is Smile by Brian Wilson (2004)
39 {Insert good Jazz and Blues here}
40 The Louvre
41 Sistine Chapel
42 The Taj Mahal
43 The Pyramids of Giza
44 Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd
@AfterHours I tend to assume list-making threads are also general discussion threads, which is why perhaps my comments have come off as an attack on the thread itself? I thought some of your comments were a bit dismissive, but that's probably because "topical discussion for its own sake" isn't really the thing that appeals to you and you just wanted to get back to the list-making, so I kind of just left it even though I thought it was actually going somewhere pretty interesting.
For example I didn't initially pick up on how much your view of art is rooted in auteur theory, or what might be described as "intentional fallacy" by critics. Since I'm into the more postmodern Zappa-esqe "art is the frame" mode of interpretation, it didn't occur to me that in your eyes Brian Wilson's opinion of the album vs the single outweighs the fact that he agreed to release it as two separate products. Even on this basis it's fairly easy to imagine how a pop artist might view their album as just a container for their 12 attempts at a great single, where the label was the one to push for the album release. Auteur theory also makes things like posthumous publication a sticky point, where the artist has no hand in how the work is presented. It also gets complicated when more than one person is responsible for production, because they might have totally different views on what they're making. For a lot of my entries it was pretty arbitrary whom I credited with the work (performer vs producer vs production company, etc.) as well as determining when the work was "released".
I'm just realizing now how much easier it would be to compile a "greatest artists" list. Actually considering doing one of those.
I spent almost no time actually thinking about this and almost submitted The Joshua Tree by U2 out of spite because this was so frustrating hahahahaha.
I'd like to revisit this someday, but this is what I have now:
1 Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner (1876)
2 Critique of Pure Reason by Kant (1781)
3 The Scream of Nature by Edvard Munch (1893)
4 Beethoven's 9th (1824)
5 To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation by Martin Luther (1520)
6 The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh (1889)
7 Vivaldi's 4 seasons (1725)
8 Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's (1829)
9 Nathan the Wise by Lessing (1779)
10 The Rite of Spring by Igor Stravinsky (1913)
11 Ágætis Byrjun by Sigur Rós (blah blah blah)
12 Metropolis by Fritz Lang (1927)
13 Rue Mosnier with Flags by Édouard Manet (1878)
14 New World Symphony by Antonín Dvořák (1893)
15 The Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson (1776)
16 The Communist Manifesto by Marx & Engels (1848)
17 Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln (1863)
18 Animal Farm (1945)
19 Nikolaikirche by Erich Loest (1997)
20 The Magic Flute by Mozart (1791)
21 Symphony No. 1 by Gustav Mahler (1889)
22 Appalacian Spring by Aaron Copland (1944)
23 Brazil (1985)
24 Sunrise (Marine) by Claude Monet (1873)
25 Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov (1888)
26 Hildebrandslied by Oral Tradition (830)
27 Ploughman and Death by Johannes von Tepl (1401)
28 Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme by Simon & Garfunkel (1966)
29 Irises by Vincen van Gogh (1889)
30 The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)
31 Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkein (1937-1949)
32 Harry Potter (1997-2007) The marrying of two concepts that I love - the simplicity of teen literature (see my pop comment later) and the depth of cultural history combined... it's actually a bit deeper than you might realize.
33 Powaqqatsi by Philip Glass(1998)
34 The Joshua Tree by U2 (1987)
35 Sgt. Peppers by the Beatles (1967)
36 Nevermind by Nirvana (1991)
37 Here's Little Richard by Little Richard (1957)
38 Pet Sounds by Brian Wilson (let's be real here) (1966) and tied for that is Smile by Brian Wilson (2004)
39 {Insert good Jazz and Blues here}
40 The Louvre
41 Sistine Chapel
42 The Taj Mahal
43 The Pyramids of Giza
44 Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd
Thank you! Fascinating variety! Is this your final submission or are you planning to submit 50? Also, some of the selections are unclear. Is the Louvre being selected as a work of architecture or are you trying to get away with submitting all its paintings as one work? Who's the artist? Also, for your other choices missing the artist, please include them, even if they're obvious. _________________ Best Classical Best Films Best Paintings
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Who's the artist? Also, for your other choices missing the artist, please include them, even if they're obvious.
