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- #151
- Posted: 12/15/2018 22:05
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Recent updates. All in bold/italics on my list (first page). Also, several others moved up or down without changing rating, which one could only see on the list itself (again, first post, first page). Likely several more to come...
FAMILIAR ROCK/JAZZ ALBUMS - RE-RATED:
Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt (1974) 9.5/10 to 9.4/10
Spiderland - Slint (1991) 8.5/10 to 8.8/10
The Modern Dance - Pere Ubu (1978) 8.5/10 to 8.8/10
The Survivor’s Suite – Keith Jarrett (1976) 8.9/10 to 8.7/10
Improvisie - Paul Bley (1971) 8.9/10 to 8.7/10
Afternoon of a Georgia Faun - Marion Brown (1970) 8.9/10 to 8.7/10
Crystals - Sam Rivers (1974) 8.9/10 to 8.7/10
Ptah, the El Daoud - Alice Coltrane (1970) 8.8/10 to 8.6/10
Extensions - McCoy Tyner (1970) 8.8/10 to 8.6/10
Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus (1972) 8.8/10 to 8.6/10
Starsailor - Tim Buckley (1970) 8.7/10 to 8.5/10
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd (1967) 8.6/10 to 8.5/10
Sahara – McCoy Tyner (1972) 8.8/10 to 8.6/10; 8.6/10 to 8.4/10
The Koln Concert - Keith Jarrett (1975) 8.5/10 to 8.4/10
Fontanelle - Babes in Toyland (1992) 8.4/10 to 8.3/10
Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan (1965) 8.1/10 to 8.2/10
Happy Sad - Tim Buckley (1968) 8.1/10 to 8.2/10
Song of the Stallion - Robbie Basho (1970) Not Rated to 8.0/10
Venus in Cancer - Robbie Basho (1969) 8.1/10 to 7.9/10
Whatever You Love You Are - Dirty Three (2000) 7.7/10 to 7.8/10; 7.8/10 to 7.9/10
Sticky Fingers - Rolling Stones (1971) 8.0/10 to 7.8/10; 7.8/10 to 7.9/10
Before We Were Born - Bill Frisell (1988) 8.0/10 to 7.8/10; 7.8/10 to 7.9/10
Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta (2005) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10; 7.8/10 to 7.9/10
Implosions - Stephan Micus (1977) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10
The Stooges - The Stooges (1969) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10
Valentyne Suite - Colosseum (1969) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10
Future Days - Can (1973) 8.0/10 to 7.8/10
Miss America - Mary Margaret O'Hara (1988) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10
Strange Days - The Doors (1968) 7.9/10 to 7.8/10
Veedon Fleece - Van Morrison (1974) 7.2/10 to 7.3/10; 7.3/10 to 7.6/10
Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair (1993) 7.8/10 to 7.5/10
Buy - Contortions (1979) 7.8/10 to 7.4/10
Whiskey for the Holy Ghost - Mark Lanegan (1994) 7.8/10 to 7.3/10
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- #152
- Posted: 01/05/2019 23:05
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| AfterHours wrote: | Hmmmm 
Maybe Ill get back to you when I work on my Punk genre list? |
So, any answer after revisiting The Clash?
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- #153
- Posted: 01/05/2019 23:56
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| Facetious wrote: | | AfterHours wrote: | Hmmmm
Maybe Ill get back to you when I work on my Punk genre list? |
So, any answer after revisiting The Clash? |
Not yet -- just revisiting the US one right now. May get to the UK release shortly.
Once Ive revisited both, Ill also note which I am rating/ranking (whichever is highest) on my lists, and might also provide an additional rating for the other in parenthesis beside it.
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- #154
- Posted: 01/12/2019 05:07
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Lots of updates, with many more coming. All in bold/bold + italics. Several have already mentioned over the last few weeks, while several are new. I will clean all these changes up in the near future; for now I am leaving so many bolded because I haven't updated my charts along with this, and also havent updated the "master" list that I use to copy and paste the updates onto BEA.
I will probably start getting around to many 7.5s and 8s that havent been added yet (but that Ive felt probably should be, plus new ones (new to me).
Of course, Ill continue update my "Challenge Ratings" list concurrently, with the new additions and continuing to polish up the rankings of those already there.
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- #155
- Posted: 01/17/2019 03:38
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Now adding 7.5s (with 8s to come as well) at a very rapid pace -- both new (to me) and also by getting back around to many I am familiar with but have just never rated before.
I am also sliding these into my "Recommended Order" page (scroll down on "My Criteria" page) as I listen to/revisit them.
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- #156
- Posted: 01/20/2019 21:00
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Recent updates...
FAMILIAR ROCK/JAZZ ALBUMS - RE-RATED:
Dimension Gate - Aurora Sutra (1994) 8.1/10 to 7.9/10
L'ordure à L'état pur - Peste Noire (2011) Not Rated to 7.7/10
Orange - John Spencer Blues Explosion (1994) Not Rated to 7.7/10
As One Aflame Laid Bare By Desire - Black Tape For A Blue Girl (1998) Not Rated to 7.6/10
Beautiful Freak - Eels (1996) Not Rated to 7.5/10
Prayer For The Halcyon Fear - Tiny Lights (1985) Not Rated to 7.5/10
Warren Zevon - Warren Zevon (1976) Not Rated to 7.5/10
A Chaos Of Desire - Black Tape For A Blue Girl (1992) Not Rated to 7.4/10
Smoke In The Shadows - Lydia Lunch (2004) Not Rated to 7.4/10
Dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld (1994) Not Rated to 7.4/10
Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven - Godspeed You! Black Emperor (2000) Not Rated to 7.4/10
Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt - John Frusciante (1994) Not Rated to 7.3/10
Whitechocolatespaceegg - Liz Phair (1998) Not Rated to 7.3/10
Skylarking - XTC (1986) 7.4/10 to 7.3/10
Never Mind The Bollocks - Sex Pistols (1977) Not Rated to 7.3/10
Everclear - American Music Club (1991) Not Rated to 7.3/10
Excitable Boy - Warren Zevon (1978) Not Rated to 7.3/10
Green Thoughts - Smithereens (1988) Not Rated to 7.3/10; 7.3/10 to 6.4/10
NEWLY ASSIMILATED ROCK/JAZZ ALBUMS - RATED:
Sackcloth 'n' Ashes - 16 Horsepower (1996) 7.5/10; 7.5/10 to 7.6/10
The Mask and Mirror - Loreena McKennitt (1994) 7.4/10; 7.4/10 to 7.5/10
Stormcock - Roy Harper (1970) 7.5/10
Butch - Geraldine Fibbers (1997) 7.4/10; 7.4/10 to 7.5/10
Eye of the Hunter - Brendan Perry (1999) 7.4/10
Your Bag - Lida Husik (1992) 7.4/10
Mars Audiac Quintet - Stereolab (1994) 7.4/10
Life in a Bubble Can Be Beautiful - Red Stars Theory (1999) 7.4/10
The Man in a Blue Turban With a Face - Man Man (2004) 7.3/10
Pirates - Rickie Lee Jones (1981) 7.3/10
Sky-skating - Annette Peacock (1982) 7.3/10
Lost Works of Eunice Phelps - Maquiladora (1998) 7.3/10
God Weed Satan: The Oneness - Ween (1990) 7.3/10
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- #157
- Posted: 02/11/2019 21:34
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Most recent updates in bold & bold + italics...
Miscellaneous thoughts...
Music is incredible (duh).
(Imo) the vast majority of people have been "lied to" and/or "distracted" from many of the masterpieces of the 20th century, and Rock/Art (and listeners) as a whole have suffered for it.
(the above may or may not be "malicious" from those responsible, and I don't mean it to sound like a "conspiracy" or what-have-you, but it nevertheless seems quite true after hearing hundreds upon hundreds of albums that are clearly more creative/expressive/powerful/remarkable than so many other more/most famous artists' examples).
... ... ...
In general, Scaruffi's "mathematical accuracy" continues to amaze, even 15 years after discovering his site and from when I began unraveling his ratings and in correlation with my own. This phenomenon along his ratings scale (from the lower ones to the highest) becomes more and more evident and remarkable the more one listens and the wider one's spectrum becomes across his selections.
It is simply unbelievable that he is SO unerringly consistent.
Though I've put a ridiculous amount of work into my own scale and in aligning all the ratings, his work is FAR more impressive to me than my own. Much harder to be the one establishing such ratings (him) than the one who uses them as an initial outline/guide (me) and thereafter draws much the same conclusions. He is "in the dark" with his (no one to fall back on or incline him to check something out again, whether by its rating or review or ... etc.), whereas I have him to fall back on "maybe I missed something, note to self to check this out again". Without his ratings as a guide there are probably a decent number of albums I wouldn't have given a second (third, fourth, etc) chance, especially in the earlier years...
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- #158
- Posted: 04/21/2019 17:12
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Scaruffi has (finally!) added Jazz ratings to the years on his decades lists. I thought I'd share this brief convo with DelBocaVista which shares his immediate comments and my instant reactions on the matter. Perhaps more thoughtful ones later, but I haven't had my coffee yet! 
| DelBocaVista wrote: | https://www.scaruffi.com/jazz/50.html
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Finally!
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- Only 9 rated 9: 8 in the 60s and 1 in the 70s
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Not too surprising! My assessments were close to that some years ago (on listology) before I started upgrading a bunch of them by roughly +0.5.
Nothing above 8 from 1980s on is not surprising to me either as ratings of some of them made this seem probable. Still, I do expect the top 2 Anthony Davis works, and some of the higher selections from the 90s to be upgraded at some point 8.3 or higher.
| DelBocaVista wrote: |
- No 9.5s, meaning Trout Mask, Rock Bottom, and Faust are ahead of Mingus and Coltane
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Again, not surprising. This may come across as convenient but I was thinking with ALS at 9.2 roughly 2 weeks ago, and each of the last few times I've listened to it as well (just ahead of The Doors, just behind VU Nico). On listology you may remember that I also had it at 9.2 a few years back when my Jazz ratings were generally a bit lower across the decades (more similar to Scaruffi's now). I don't think I've ever quite thought Black Saint wasn't among the 9.5s but more recently have strongly considered putting it at 9.3 but still above Faust.
| DelBocaVista wrote: |
- Decade lists not yet updated (or else Ascension and Mantler would be 9 instead of 8.5 given that they rank ahead of a few 9s)
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Makes sense.
| DelBocaVista wrote: |
- He doesn't love Keith Jarrett
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I don't know, he often calls 8s and 7.5s and even 7s "masterpieces" (presumably the definition that tends to mean a pinnacle in the artist's career). Based on the other 8.5s it's above, it seems like Survivor's Suite should be 8.5.
| DelBocaVista wrote: |
- You were right about Improvisie |
***What DelBoca is referring to is that for years Improvisie has been listed as a 7 on the artist page but I've had it as 8.5 (and as high as 9) for the last 5 years or so***
Knew it. But my percentage is somewhat lower on Jazz than on Rock (where it's the highest) and Film (where it is generally very close based on what I can determine so far).
Looking forward to Beethoven having nothing above 7/10 when he issues his Classical ratings!
Fwiw, I still stand by all my Jazz ratings regardless of Scaruffi's updates. With only some reservations at this time...
For instance, I won't be surprised if I "officially" agree with him on Black Saint and A Love Supreme taking small drops (as I was leaning in this direction anyway).
I was also leaning towards Seeds Visions and Counterpoint being 8.5 instead of 9 (he says 8 so we would still disagree).
I WOULD BE surprised if Melford's Even the Sounds Shine drops for me, particularly down to an 8 like he has. I think I already mentioned above, but I think a group of those 80s-90s 8s will get upgraded to 8.5 or maybe 9. (unless this is an indication that his ratings scale is getting even stricter, which is certainly possible)
I am legit surprised by these 4 being "only 7" as I would've thought, for sure, they would be at least 7.5 (I have had them between 7.5 and 8, currently all of them 8 ).
Jason Moran: The Bandwagon (Blue Note)
Hiromi: Another Mind (Telarc)
Vijay Iyer: Blood Sutra (Artists House)
Spring Heel Jack: Live (Thirsty Ear)
And I have some reservations on certain 7.5s and 8s that I've only listened to 3 times or less (80s, 90s, 2000s works)
It seems plausible that he may need more acclimation to these decades or more recent works as I doubt he's listened to them more than once? ...just a hunch...
None of the 50s ratings were particularly surprising as I've had the same ratings as those before in (I think) every case with those that we've both rated, though in the last few years I upgraded a handful about 0.5 above some of this (Kind of Blue, Brilliant Corners, City of Glass...)
Anyway, perhaps some more comments coming but that's what stands out for me as an initial impression.
I consider my Jazz ratings in something of a middle stage of ratings accuracy (whereas Rock I would consider an advanced stage, Classical a beginning stage, Film a middle stage, Paintings a beginning stage).
Overall, good stuff! And the disagreements (even if usually just by 0.5) make the ratings aspect of it more interesting than usual!
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- Posted: 05/24/2019 09:02
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What do you think of Girlfren (from Boces) and how do you interpret it? I thought it was hilarious but the album would arguably be a tighter, more consistent work without it.
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- Posted: 05/24/2019 16:59
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| Facetious wrote: | | What do you think of Girlfren (from Boces) and how do you interpret it? I thought it was hilarious but the album would arguably be a tighter, more consistent work without it. |
*Pseudo jazzy keyboard underlying it rhythmically, pressing, building and promising development but keeps returning to its initial chords while never delivering the next, gradually building a mildy hypnotic sense of suspense
*Tripped out vocalist, slurring, in a drunken or drugged out stupor
*Flute enters, swirling around the mix semi haphazardly, increasing the loss of balance, increasing the suspense towards the end as all its elements juxtapose (both coherently and incoherently)
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