Current year chart (& algorithm) - Suggestions

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This is something I've thought about for a long time & I'm just mentioning it here because we are again approaching an end of year and people are seeking out the best albums of 2014. The year charts on BEA are sensitive to gaming due to the high points that can be gained from including an album from the current year in your overall chart.

I've run a quick calculation showing how the chart would look if albums from the current year & included in an overall chart updated in 2014 were excluded (current 2014 rank in brackets).

1 (3). Benji - Sun Kil Moon 679.4
2 (2). Lost In The Dream - The War On Drugs 544.6
3 (1) To Be Kind - Swans 510.4
4 (4). St. Vincent - St. Vincent 419.9
5 (8). Salad Days - Mac DeMarco 396.1
6 (6). Piñata - Freddie Gibbs & Madlib 363.9
7 (7). They Want My Soul - Spoon 350.8
8 (13). Syro - Aphex Twin 313.1
9 (5). Sun Structures - Temples 255.9
10 (9). Run The Jewels 2 - Run The Jewels 255.0
11 (21). Too Bright - Perfume Genius 252.5
12 (10). Here And Nowhere Else - Cloud Nothings 250.5
13 (11). You're Dead! - Flying Lotus 231.2
14 (16). Morning Phase - Beck 228.8
15 (28). It's Album Time - Todd Terje 227.1
16 (20). Everyday Robots - Damon Albarn 220.7
17 (12). Turn Blue - The Black Keys 215.6
18 (36). Familiars - The Antlers 211.3
19 (14). Are We There - Sharon Van Etten 192.1
20 (19). Atlas - Real Estate 186.1

2013 would now look like this (albums released in 2013 and included in an overall chart last updated in 2013 excluded):
1 (1). Modern Vampires Of The City - Vampire Weekend 7025.7
2 (2) . Reflektor - Arcade Fire 6420.4
3 (3). Random Access Memories - Daft Punk 3737.6
4 (6). AM - Arctic Monkeys 3629.7
5 (4). Trouble Will Find Me - The National 3436.8
6 (7). ...Like Clockwork - Queens Of The Stone Age 3364.3
7 (5). Yeezus - Kanye West 3362.5
8 (8). m b v - My Bloody Valentine 1925.2
9 (12). Psychic - Darkside 1602.8
10 (10). Sunbather - Deafheaven 1531.1

If this is a fairer representation of how things should look, maybe this could become a permanent algorithm change. Thoughts?

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Great idea! I'm all for this, just looking through the overall 2014 chart now you can see some albums that appear in less than 25 charts being above albums that appear in 60-70 charts due to their high positions on a couple of overall charts. I think a change would definitely bring a fairer overall view of the year.
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I think it probably has a greater impact further down the chart. Like there's this Ben Vida album that's in the top 100, mostly because it's on my overall chart. Not trying to game it, it's sincere. But yeah, it would make way more sense for the albums that are in more charts to be higher.

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Patman360 wrote:

Great idea! I'm all for this, just looking through the overall 2014 chart now you can see some albums that appear in less than 25 charts being above albums that appear in 60-70 charts due to their high positions on a couple of overall charts. I think a change would definitely bring a fairer overall view of the year.

That would definitely be the main reason to change things, so the overall picture more accurately reflects the collective opinion.

secretdad wrote:

I think it probably has a greater impact further down the chart. Like there's this Ben Vida album that's in the top 100, mostly because it's on my overall chart. Not trying to game it, it's sincere. But yeah, it would make way more sense for the albums that are in more charts to be higher.

There'll obviously also be a smaller effect on the overall chart by making this change, but I'm not expecting any of the higher ranked albums to change places (a few albums will change position lower down). The overall chart top 100 would only change very slightly, so the algorithm change wouldn't have a huge impact outside the current year:

1 (1). OK Computer - Radiohead 128895.0
2 (2). The Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd 115020.0
3 (3). Revolver - The Beatles 102905.6
4 (4). Abbey Road - The Beatles 98636.7
5 (5). Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles 94398.7
6 (6). Nevermind - Nirvana 75566.9
7 (7). Kid A - Radiohead 73730.6
8 (8). Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zeppelin 73206.4
9 (9). Funeral - Arcade Fire 71777.3
10 (10). The Beatles (The White Album) - The Beatles 71704.0
11 (11). The Velvet Underground And Nico - The V...nderground 70556.0
12 (12). London Calling - The Clash 67870.0
13 (13). Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys 63646.4
14 (14). Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd 62967.4
15 (15). The Bends - Radiohead 61109.1
16 (16). In Rainbows - Radiohead 57027.6
17 (17). In The Aeroplane Over The Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel 54522.8
18 (18). Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan 53824.3
19 (19). Doolittle - Pixies 53361.5
20 (20). The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And...avid Bowie 52763.8
21 (21). Rubber Soul - The Beatles 48629.7
22 (22). The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths 47164.3
23 (23). Who's Next - The Who 43927.9
24 (24). The Wall - Pink Floyd 43907.2
25 (25). The Doors - The Doors 42844.6
26 (26). Is This It - The Strokes 41567.0
27 (27). Blonde On Blonde - Bob Dylan 39790.9
28 (28). Exile On Main St. - The Rolling Stones 39638.4
29 (29). Loveless - My Bloody Valentine 39372.4
30 (30). Are You Experienced - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 39176.8
31 (31). The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses 39042.7
32 (32). The Joshua Tree - U2 36715.8
33 (33). Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan 33905.2
34 (34). Ten - Pearl Jam 32514.3
35 (35). Led Zeppelin II - Led Zeppelin 32453.8
36 (36). Rumours - Fleetwood Mac 31329.2
37 (37). (What's The Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis 30958.8
38 (38). Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division 30547.1
39 (40). Let It Bleed - The Rolling Stones 29046.3
40 (41). Grace - Jeff Buckley 29034.1
41 (39). The Suburbs - Arcade Fire 28806.9
42 (42). Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen 28805.0
43 (43). Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis 28521.4
44 (44). Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I...ic Monkeys 27377.6
45 (45). In Utero - Nirvana 27066.5
46 (46). Automatic For The People - R.E.M. 26421.1
47 (47). Marquee Moon - Television 25990.3
48 (48). Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth 25923.7
49 (49). In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson 25771.3
50 (50). Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin 24549.5
51 (51). Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco 24490.7
52 (52). Elephant - The White Stripes 24471.4
53 (53). Achtung Baby - U2 24305.5
54 (54). Disintegration - The Cure 24257.7
55 (55). What's Going On - Marvin Gaye 24099.5
56 (56). Remain In Light - Talking Heads 24054.4
57 (57). Astral Weeks - Van Morrison 23886.8
58 (58). Appetite For Destruction - Guns N' Roses 23587.8
59 (59). A Night At The Opera - Queen 23317.6
60 (60). Animals - Pink Floyd 23222.2
61 (61). Hunky Dory - David Bowie 23129.4
62 (62). Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex...ex Pistols 22295.6
63 (63). Forever Changes - Love 22192.1
64 (64). A Rush Of Blood To The Head - Coldplay 22054.3
65 (65). Closer - Joy Division 22027.7
66 (66). Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness ...g Pumpkins 21828.0
67 (67). Pink Moon - Nick Drake 21615.0
68 (68). Electric Ladyland - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 21571.0
69 (69). Definitely Maybe - Oasis 21560.9
70 (70). Ágætis Byrjun - Sigur Rós 21009.1
71 (71). Sticky Fingers - The Rolling Stones 20901.0
72 (72). Siamese Dream - The Smashing Pumpkins 20769.2
73 (73). Thriller - Michael Jackson 20095.3
74 (74). After The Gold Rush - Neil Young 19657.6
75 (75). Surfer Rosa - Pixies 19268.1
76 (77). Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin 19022.6
77 (78). Paranoid - Black Sabbath 18969.0
78 (79). Illinois - Sufjan Stevens 18904.8
79 (76). My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - Kanye West 18901.5
80 (80). The Soft Bulletin - The Flaming Lips 18714.8
81 (81). Dummy - Portishead 18492.0
82 (82). Back In Black - AC/DC 18247.4
83 (83). Master Of Puppets - Metallica 17952.8
84 (84). Neon Bible - Arcade Fire 17827.0
85 (85). Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots - The Flaming Lips 17791.0
86 (86). Weezer (The Blue Album) - Weezer 17790.6
87 (87). Low - David Bowie 17779.7
88 (88). Magical Mystery Tour - The Beatles 17581.6
89 (89). Houses Of The Holy - Led Zeppelin 17288.3
90 (90). Bringing It All Back Home - Bob Dylan 16831.4
91 (91). Rain Dogs - Tom Waits 16548.8
92 (92). Merriweather Post Pavilion - Animal Collective 16297.4
93 (93). Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine 16262.4
94 (94). Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers 16077.4
95 (95). Turn On The Bright Lights - Interpol 16057.7
96 (96). Absolution - Muse 16046.2
97 (98). The Moon & Antarctica - Modest Mouse 16002.2
98 (97). Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes 15964.3
99 (99). Harvest - Neil Young 15938.9
100 (100). For Emma, Forever Ago - Bon Iver 15822.9

I'm actually quite keen to make this change, but I'd like to hear what others think...

reDEFinition

I do have a small problem with part of this...

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if albums from the current year & included in an overall chart updated in 2014 were excluded

Aren't most overall charts updated at least once a year? And wouldn't that mean most charts on BEA wouldn't count towards the rankings at all, since most people would've updated their chart in 2014?

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reDEFinition wrote:

I do have a small problem with part of this...

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if albums from the current year & included in an overall chart updated in 2014 were excluded

Aren't most overall charts updated at least once a year? And wouldn't that mean most charts on BEA wouldn't count towards the rankings at all, since most people would've updated their chart in 2014?

I think you misunderstood this, it means that if an album released in 2014 makes it on to someone's overall chart, it won't count towards the rankings of the sites 2014 chart as it can result in shooting albums that have been on fewer charts up the list.
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martintho
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it's a brilliant idea, AM, but the best part of your calculations is that they don't reveal any obvious cheats. black keys is the biggest earner with a position 12 opposed to a #17. so happily we don't really need this, and that is something we all should congratulate each other for. well done everybody.

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martintho wrote:

the best part of your calculations is that they don't reveal any obvious cheats. black keys is the biggest earner with a position 12 opposed to a #17. so happily we don't really need this

For the most part, yes, but I'd agree with you a lot more if the majority of the top 10 weren't in a different sequence (and 11-20 in an entirely different sequence).

martintho
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dived into this more deeply. result: i think it's a must.

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Good call albummaster, go for it!