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meccalecca wrote:

I don't know enough about the situation, but you'd have to hope that this wakes up the population and stirs up enough proper outrage that the people bring in a better replacement for Cameron

That's the problem though Jonny - we can't do anything about it. The Tories have a 5-year mandate to lead following last year's election so we've gone from 'unelected leaders' in Brussels (as the Leave camp put it) to what will end up being a Prime Minister voted in by their mates and not the populous. They can't call a General Election unless 50% of MPs vote for one, and bearing in the the Tories are already fractured and have a majority that's unlikely to happen. So we're left with a choice between more Old Etonians and Ice Queen Theresa May. Out of the three, she'd be my pick but it's like chosing if you'd rather have cancer, AIDS or Ebola.
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Oh Jesus fuck. Total fucking mess you've got there.
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I need some explanation. How could Corbyn even remotely want to vote "remain" in a body that is so evidently against his beliefs ? How can anyone believe for one second he actually thinks the EU is a good thing?

The way I see it, the reasons why Leave was chosen are far more worrying than actually whether Britain is staying or not. The nationalist debate stunk from the very beginning, has any good reason (and believe me there are some) for leaving such a life-crushing pile of dunk ever been brought up during the proceedings?

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Norman Bates wrote:

The way I see it, the reasons why Leave was chosen are far more worrying than actually whether Britain is staying or not.

yeah this.
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HigherThanTheSun

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Nobody argued the leftist case for leaving because there basically isn't one. It's fantasy to think working class are better off now. If scotland leaves uk we'll have boris johnson or michael gove or theresa may as pm for a decade so the idea that this could ever have been a leftist victory is retarded

Next election we'll basically have a choice between the two men who took us out of the eu and with corbyn it's pretty much being handed to the cons. They literally have to take about five seats to stop a con majority but it's impossible to have faith in corbyn even doing that which is insane. Praying that labour find a new leader asap
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HigherThanTheSun wrote:

Nobody argued the leftist case for leaving because there basically isn't one. It's fantasy to think working class are better off now. If scotland leaves uk we'll have boris johnson or michael gove or theresa may as pm for a decade so the idea that this could ever have been a leftist victory is retarded

Next election we'll basically have a choice between the two men who took us out of the eu and with corbyn it's pretty much being handed to the cons. They literally have to take about five seats to stop a con majority but it's impossible to have faith in corbyn even doing that which is insane. Praying that labour find a new leader asap

There clearly is a leftist case for leaving the EU - they're vehemently pro-austerity; they undermined and effectively destroyed a democratically elected, left-wing Greek government; they are a non-democratic body; they prevent governments from nationalising failing industries (see the current steel crisis) - but the pros still outweigh the cons, and even if we were to leave the EU it is clearly not in any left interest to do so at this time or under these circumstances. I am desperately frustrated with the way Corbyn handled this campaign, but I understand why he took the choices he did (even if it is plainly obvious that he should have presented a united front with Cameron, regardless of his concerns). That said, Cameron also didn't take the threat of Brexit seriously enough, and thought that he would gain the votes he needed based almost entirely on his pro-business, pro-free trade rhetoric. Both were wrong, and now we will all suffer. As much as I think Corbyn misjudged this entire debacle, it must be stressed that the Tories and the right-wing press caused this. They shat on the working classes for decades, and instead of accepting the blame and risking votes, they simply blamed the EU and immigrants even when those things were clearly not to blame. They created a bogeyman which grew so big that they could no longer control it. This is the wrong solution, at the wrong time, to a problem that doesn't really exist. It's a fucking mess, and I see no good whatsoever coming of this. It is not in the EU's best interests to see Britain do well out of this (it would only add fuel to an already significant Eurosceptic, nationalist fire in a number of nations), and so there will be little sympathy with this Little Englander attitude we've taken. Essentially, we're fucked.
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I feel like the whole mood of the country has shifted. It's one thing to see the tories getting elected a second time or AV failing, but to have what a few years ago seemed like the policy of some mad, radical minority party rampant with bigots become mandate is shattering. It feels like almost every other developed country is moving towards progressive policies while we isolate ourselves out of hubris. This level of patriotism actually makes me sick to my stomach. It's honestly eery and digusting. We're not the world's largest empire anymore, we're just some island no one cares about, but this country can't seem to get that into its skulls.

I can only hope the country goes to shit and the population get spurred into some kind of action, but I would love to be proven wrong.

baystateoftheart
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Question for those more knowledgeable: Once they're negotiated, is there any possibility of a second vote on the terms of Brexit, one that could avert it? I heard some talk of that earlier, but less since the measure passed.
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baystateoftheart wrote:

Question for those more knowledgeable: Once they're negotiated, is there any possibility of a second vote on the terms of Brexit, one that could avert it? I heard some talk of that earlier, but less since the measure passed.

No chance. We're in this for the long haul now.
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