Greatest Albums of All Time (Rock & Jazz)

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AfterHours wrote:
UPDATE: The 7.3-7.7 section still has a number of entries missing that I will add at some later time. Also, there is a section below the list that has a number of unrated albums that I am nearly certain are 7.3/10+, and that I just need to revisit to properly judge the ratings/rankings.

Recommendations welcome. For "My Criteria & Guide For Art" pages, go here: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=15503

BOLD = Newly added
BOLD + ITALICS = Recently moved up or down

GREATEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME (ROCK & JAZZ)

9.5/10
1. Trout Mask Replica - Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band (1969)

9.4/10
2. Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt (1974)

9.3/10

9.2/10
3. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground (1967)
4. The Doors - The Doors (1967)
5. Faust - Faust (1971)

9.1/10
6. The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus (1963)
7. A Love Supreme - John Coltrane (1964)
8. Twin Infinitives - Royal Trux (1990)

9.0/10
9. Parable of Arable Land - Red Crayola (1967)
10. Unit Structures - Cecil Taylor (1966)
11. Lorca - Tim Buckley (1970)
12. Irrlicht - Klaus Schulze (1972)
13. Desertshore - Nico (1970)
14. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison (1968)
15. Blonde On Blonde - Bob Dylan (1966)

8.9/10
16. Ascension - John Coltrane (1965)
17. Escalator Over The Hill - Carla Bley (1971)
18. The Jazz Composer's Orchestra - Michael Mantler (1968) [aka, "The Jazz Composer’s Orchestra - The Jazz Composer's Orchestra"]
19. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel (1998)
20. Y - The Pop Group (1979)
21. Ys - Joanna Newsom (2006)
22. Dolmen Music - Meredith Monk (1981)
23. Third - Soft Machine (1970)

8.8/10
24. Slow, Deep & Hard - Type O Negative (1991)
25. Yerself Is Steam - Mercury Rev (1991)
26. Down Colorful Hill - Red House Painters (1992)
27. The Modern Dance - Pere Ubu (1978)
29. Geek the Girl - Lisa Germano (1994)
30. Zen Arcade - Husker Du (1984)
31. Spiderland - Slint (1991)
32. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis (1969)
33. Nail - Foetus (1985)
34. Loveless - My Bloody Valentine (1991)
35. Well-Oiled - Hash Jar Tempo (1997)
36. Diamanda Galas - Diamanda Galas (1984)

8.7/10
37. Have One On Me - Joanna Newsom (2010)
38. The River - Bruce Springsteen (1980)
39. The Downward Spiral - Nine Inch Nails (1994)
40. City of Glass - Stan Kenton (1953) [Re-Issued 16-Track Release]
41. Saxophone Improvisations, Series F - Anthony Braxton (1972)

8.6/10
42. Neu! - Neu! (1972)
White Light/White Heat - The Velvet Underground (1967)
43. Lullaby Land - Vampire Rodents (1993)
44. From Her to Eternity - Nick Cave (1984)
45. Seeds, Visions & Counterpoint - Ivo Perelman (1996)
46. Even the Sounds Shine - Myra Melford (1994)
47. Passion - Peter Gabriel (1989)
48. Remnants of a Deeper Purity - Black Tape for a Blue Girl (1996)

8.5/10
49. Suicide - Suicide (1977)
50. Radio Gnome Invisible Part 1: Flying Teapot - Gong (1973)
51. Starsailor - Tim Buckley (1970)
52. Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth (1988)
53. Variations in Dream-time - Anthony Davis (1982)
54. For Alto - Anthony Braxton (1968)
55. Tago Mago - Can (1971)
56. Spiritual Unity - Albert Ayler (1964)
57. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd (1967)

8.4/10
58. The Survivor’s Suite – Keith Jarrett (1976)
59. Improvisie - Paul Bley (1971)
60. Afternoon of a Georgia Faun - Marion Brown (1970)
61. Kick Out the Jams - MC5 (1969)
62. Not Available - Residents (1974)
63. Ocean Songs - Dirty Three (1997)
64. Meet the Residents - Residents (1974)
65. Crystals - Sam Rivers (1974)
66. Ptah, the El Daoud - Alice Coltrane (1970)
67. Extensions - McCoy Tyner (1970)
68. Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus (1972)
69. Sahara – McCoy Tyner (1972)
70. Conference of the Birds - Dave Holland (1972)
71. Art & Aviation - Jane Ira Bloom (1992)
72. Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk (1956)
73. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis (1959)
74. Fare Forward Voyagers - John Fahey (1973)
75. Dream Theory in Malaya - Jon Hassell (1981)
76. Hosianna Mantra - Popol Vuh (1973)
77. In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson (1969)
78. Epitaph - Charles Mingus (1962)
79. Steve Lacy - Saxophone Special (1974)
80. Uncle Meat - Frank Zappa (1969)

8.3/10
81. Original Sin - Pandora's Box (1989)
82. The Magic City - Sun Ra (1965)
83. A Genuine Tong Funeral - Carla Bley/Gary Burton (1967)
84. Out to Lunch - Eric Dolphy (1964)
85. We Insist! Freedom Now Suite - Max Roach (1960)
86. Liberation Music Orchestra - Charlie Haden (1969)
87. Millions Now Living Will Never Die - Tortoise (1996)
88. Good - Morphine (1992)
89. Vernal Equinox - Jon Hassell (1977)
90. Cosmic Interception - Von Lmo (1994)
91. Volunteers - Jefferson Airplane (1969)
92. Sound - Roscoe Mitchell (1966)
93. Dimensions & Extensions - Sam Rivers (1967)
94. Third Ear Band - Third Ear Band (1970)
95. Symphony For Improvisers - Don Cherry (1966)
96. In Den Ghaerten Pharoahs - Popol Vuh (1972)
97. Cyborg - Klaus Schulze (1973)
98. Cantos I-IV - Franz Koglmann (1992)
99. Dreamtime Return - Steve Roach (1988)
100. Karma - Pharoah Sanders (1969)
101. Les Stances a Sophie – Art Ensemble of Chicago (1970)
102. The Koln Concert - Keith Jarrett (1975)
103. Pavilion of Dreams - Harold Budd (1978)
104. Consumer Revolt - Cop Shoot Cop (1990)
105. Mundus Subterraneous - Lightwave (1995)
106. A Rainbow in Curved Air - Terry Riley (1968)
107. Intents and Purposes - Bill Dixon (1967)
108. Approximately - Guillermo Gregorio (1996)
109. Fontanelle - Babes In Toyland (1992)
110. Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables - Dead Kennedy's (1980)
111. Half Machine Lip Moves - Chrome (1979)

8.2/10
112. Ecology of Souls - Kenneth Newby (1993)
113. The Long View - Marty Ehrlich (2002)
114. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan (1965)
115. Transient Random-Noise Bursts with Announcements - Stereolab (1993)
116. Uncanny Valley - Stabscotch (2017)
117. Master Of Puppets - Metallica (1986)
118. Happy Sad - Tim Buckley (1968)
119. Marquee Moon - Television (1977)
120. Disappeared - Spring Heel Jack (2000)
121. Perfect From Now On - Built To Spill (1997)
122. Yeti - Amon Duul II (1970)
123. The Ascension - Glenn Branca (1981)
124. Lady of the Mirrors - Anthony Davis (1980)
125. Songs of Leonard Cohen - Leonard Cohen (1968)
126. Fluxations - Denman Maroney (2001)
127. Tragedy - Julia Holter (2011)
128. Amassed - Spring Heel Jack (2002)
129. 666 - Aphrodite's Child (1971)
130. The Days of Wine & Roses - Dream Syndicate (1982)
131. Cobra - John Zorn (1986)
132. The Litanies of Satan - Diamanda Galas (1982)
133. Silent Tongues - Cecil Taylor (1974)
134. Fear Death By Water - Franz Koglmann (2003)

8.1/10
135. A Saucerful of Secrets - Pink Floyd (1968)
136. The Marble Index - Nico (1968)
137. Post to Wire - Heather Duby (1999)
138. Mother of Virtues - Pyrrhon (2014)
139. The Good Son - Nick Cave (1990)
140. Bad Moon Rising - Sonic Youth (1985)
141. Children of God - Swans (1987)
142. Episteme - Anthony Davis (1981)
143. Atlantis - Sun Ra (1967)
144. Barbed Wire Maggots - Borbetomagus (1983)
145. Electric Ladyland - Jimi Hendrix (1968)
146. Temple Of The Morning Star - Today is the Day (1997)
147. Presents Charles Mingus - Charles Mingus (1960)
148. Nefertiti, the Beautiful One - Cecil Taylor (1962)
149. Chasing Paint - Jane Ira Bloom (2003)
150. This Is Not A Dream - Dadamah (1992)
151. Mother of all Saints - Thinking Fellers Union (1992)
152. Rusty - Rodan (1994)
153. The Timeless Turning - Sky Cries Mary (1994)
154. Live - Spring Heel Jack (2003)
155. The Red Quartets - Jane Ira Bloom (1999)
156. Blues For the New Millenium - Marcus Roberts (1997)
157. Are You Experienced? - Jimi Hendrix (1967) [Original 11-track edition]
158. 6 - Supersilent (2003)
159. Double Nickels on the Dime - Minutemen (1984)
160. Vade Mecum (Part I and II) - Bill Dixon (1993)
161. California - American Music Club (1988)
162. Exile On Main Street - The Rolling Stones (1972)
163. Hex - Bark Psychosis (1994)
164. Destroy Me Lover - Pain Teens (1993)
165. Roxy Music - Roxy Music (1972)
Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta (2005)
166. Indian War Whoop - Holy Modal Rounders (1967)
167. Prepare Thyself to Deal With a Miracle – Rahsaan Roland Kirk (1973)
168. Legend of Ai Glatson - Leroy Jenkins (1978)
169. Tijuana Moods - Charles Mingus (1957)
170. Quartet - Marion Brown (1966)
171. Telepathic Surgery - The Flaming Lips (1989)
172. Dual Unity - Paul Bley (1971)
173. Safe as Milk - Captain Beefheart (1967)
174. Tonight's the Night - Neil Young (1975)
175. Radio Ethiopia - Patti Smith (1976)

8.0/10
176. Croce - Father Murphy (2015)
177. Song of the Stallion - Robbie Basho (1970)
178. Red House Painters (Rollercoaster) - Red House Painters (1993)
179. Operator Dead... Post Abandoned - Burning Star Core (2007)
180. Another Mind - Hiromi Uehara (2003)
181. This Heat - This Heat (1979)
182. Labradford - Labradford (1996)
183. In A Silent Way - Miles Davis (1969)
184. Thirteen Masks - Jarboe (1991)
185. The Black Light - Calexico (1998)
186. Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh - Magma (1973)
187. 2 - Black Heart Procession (1999)
188. Easily Slip into Another World - Henry Threadgill (1987)
189. Hemispheres - Anthony Davis (1983)
190. Fractured Fairy Tales - Tim Berne (1989)
191. Zeichnungen des Patienten O.T. - Einstürzende Neubauten (1983)
192. The Shape of Jazz to Come - Ornette Coleman (1959)
193. Novus Magnificat - Constance Demby (1986)
194. Atomizer - Big Black (1986)
195. Bricolage - Amon Tobin (1997)
196. Cyclops Nuclear Submarine Captain - Dogbowl (1991)
197. God - Rip, Rig & Panic (1981)
198. Absolutely Free - Frank Zappa (1967)
199. Learning To Cope With Cowardice - Mark Stewart (1983)
200. Boces - Mercury Rev (1993)
201. May I Sing With Me - Yo La Tengo (1992)
202. Faust IV - Faust (1973)
203. The Art of Walking - Pere Ubu (1980)
204. Laughing Stock - Talk Talk (1991)
205. On the Way Down From Moon Palace - Lisa Germano (1991)
206. Four Great Points - June of 44 (1998)
207. Streams - Sam Rivers (1973)
208. Free Jazz - Ornette Coleman (1960)

7.9/10
209. Images and Words - Dream Theater (1992)
210. Roots - Sepultura (1996)
211. What Passes For Survival - Pyrrhon (2017)
212. Appetite For Destruction - Guns N' Roses (1988)
213. Venus in Cancer - Robbie Basho (1969)
214. 2 - Don Caballero (1995)
215. Rickie Lee Jones - Rickie Lee Jones (1979)
216. Spirit of Eden - Talk Talk (1988)
217. I Could Live in Hope - Low (1994)
218. Erpland - Ozric Tentacles (1990)
219. When I Was A Boy - Jane Siberry (1993)
220. Dimension Gate - Aurora (1994)
221. Whatever You Love You Are - Dirty Three (2000)
222. Ghetto Beats on the Surface of the Sun - Tarentel (2006)
223. 15 July 1972 - Taj Mahal Travellers (1972)
224. Isn't Anything - My Bloody Valentine (1988)
225. New York Dolls - New York Dolls (1973)
226. New Picnic Time - Pere Ubu (1979)
227. Tanz Der Lemmimge - Amon Duul II (1971)
228. Willpower - Today is the Day (1994)
229. World Without Rules - Paul Haslinger (1996)
230. Repeater - Fugazi (1990)
231. You're Living All Over Me - Dinosaur Jr (1987)
232. Just For A Day - Slowdive (1991)
233. Goat - Jesus Lizard (1991)
234. Through Silver in Blood - Neurosis (1996)
235. United States of America - United States of America (1968)
236. Music for Airports - Brian Eno (1978)
237. The Psyche - Revolutionary Ensemble (1975)
238. After Bathing at Baxters - Jefferson Airplane (1967)
239. Instrumentals - The Nels Cline Singers (2002)
240. Bring Yr Camera - The President (Wayne Horvitz) (1988)
241. Vision Created Newsun - Boredoms (1999)
242. Underwater Moonlight - Soft Boys (1980)
243. Flowers of Romance - Public Image Ltd (1980)
244. Umber - Bitch Magnet (1989)
245. Psychic...Powerless...Another Man's Sac - Butthole Surfers (1984)
246. Fire of Love - Gun Club (1981)
247. Love Poke Here - Ed Hall (1990)
248. Freak Out! - Frank Zappa (1966)
249. Freedom Suite - Sonny Rollins (1958)
250. Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins (1956)
251. Music From The Penguin Cafè - Penguin Cafè Orchestra (1976)
252. Frances the Mute - The Mars Volta (2005) wait, wasn't it already placed higher??
253. Through Time and Mystery -- Ending - Peter Frohmader (1988)
254. The Increased Difficulty of Concentration - Air Liquide (1994)
255. It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy (1988)
256. We're Only in it For the Money - Frank Zappa (1967)
257. There's a Star Above the Manger Tonight - Red Red Meat (1997)
258. Air Time - Air (1977)
259. In Our Lifetime - Dave Douglas (1994)
260. Unsane - Unsane (1991)
261. Exploded Drawing - Polvo (1996)
262. Colours of Time - Peter Michael Hamel (1980)
263. Cosmic Tones For Mental Therapy - Sun Ra (1963)
264. Electronic Sonata For Souls Loved By Nature - George Russell (1969)
265. Music in a Doll's House - Family (1969)
266. Barrett - Syd Barrett (1970)
267. Far Cry - Eric Dolphy (1960)
268. Air Raid - Air (1976)
269. Impressions - John Coltrane (1961)
270. Fuchsia Swing Song - Sam Rivers (1964)
271. Crazy Rhythms - Feelies (1980)
272. Delete Yourself - Atari Teenage Riot (1995)
273. Sticky Fingers - Rolling Stones (1971)
274. Before We Were Born - Bill Frisell (1988)
276. Charm of the Highway Strip - Magnetic Fields (1998)
277. New York Eye & Ear Control - Albert Ayler (1964)

7.8/10
278. People in Sorrow - Art Ensemble of Chicago (1969)
279. Before and After Science - Brian Eno (1977)
280. Hejira - Joni Mitchell (1976)
281. World Shut Your Mouth - Julian Cope (1984)
282. Implosions - Stephan Micus (1977)
283. Blue - Joni Mitchell (1971)
284. Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morissette (1995)
285. Psalm - Paul Motian (1982)
286. Frigid Stars - Codeine (1990)
287. As Wichita Falls, So Falls Wichita Falls - Pat Metheny & Lyle Mays (1981)
288. The Stooges - The Stooges (1969)
289. Valentyne Suite - Colosseum (1969)
290. The End of an Ear - Robert Wyatt (1970)
291. Marjory Razorblade - Kevin Coyne (1973)
292. Reese And The Smooth Ones - Art Ensemble Of Chicago (1969)
293. Trance Mission - Trance Mission (1993)
294. Magician Among the Spirits - The Church (1996)
295. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits (1985)
296. Transition - Peter Michael Hamel (1983)
297. Mama Too Tight - Archie Shepp (1966)
298. Complete Communion - Don Cherry (1965)
299. Ocean - Stephen Micus (1986)
300. China Gate - Cul de Sac (1996)
301. Yank Crime - Drive Like Jehu (1994)
302. Excerpts From A Love Circus - Lisa Germano (1996)
303. Oh Yeah - Charles Mingus (1962)
304. Filles de Kilimanjaro - Miles Davis (1968)
305. Myths Of The Near Future Part One - Mo Boma (1994)
306. Frizzle Fry - Primus (1990)
307. The Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orchestra (1971)
308. King of the Jews - Oxbow (1991)
309. Pure Electric Honey - Ant-Bee (1990)
310. Snailbait - Azalia Snail (1990)
311. Conspiracy - Jeanne Lee (1974)
312. Nature of the Beast - Michael Formanek (1997)
313. Ghosts - Techno Animal (1990)
314. After the Rain - Michael Jones (1988)
315. For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate Mass Murder? - The Pop Group (1980)
316. Drum - Hugo Largo (1988)
317. Silence is the Answer - Georg Deuter (1981)
318. Gateway to the Mysteries - Eden (1991)
319. Acupuncture - Doldrums (1996)
320. Gods Of Chaos - The Flying Luttenbachers (1998)
321. La Novia - Acid Mothers Temple (2000)
322. To Rend Each Other Like Wild Beasts, Till Earth Shall Reek With Midnight Massacre - Gnaw Their Tongues (2009)
323. Symbiosis - Demdike Stare (2009)
324. I - Meshuggah (2004) [EP]
325. If I Could Only Remember My Name - David Crosby (1971)
326. A-Z - Colin Newman (1980)
327. New Day Rising - Husker Du (1985)
328. Weasels Ripped My Flesh - Frank Zappa (1970)
329. I Sing the Body Electric - Weather Report (1972)
330. Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator (1971)
331. Monkey Pockie Boo - Sonny Shamrock (1970)
332. Canaxis 5 - Technical Space Composer's Crew (aka Canaxis 5) (1969)
333. Machine Gun - Peter Brotzmann (1968)
334. New And Old Gospel - Jackie McLean (1967)
335. Colors - Between the Buried and Me (2007)
336. Mellow Out - Mainliner (1996)
337. Pithecanthropus Erectus - Charles Mingus (1956)
338. Black Unity – Pharaoh Sanders (1971)
339. Songs the Lord Taught Us - Cramps (1980)
340. 1933 Your House is Mine - Missing Foundation (1987)
341. Close to the Edge - Yes (1972)
342. Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield (1973)
343. Half Mute - Tuxedomoon (1979)
344. At Action Park - Shellac (1994)
345. Friendly as a Hand Grenade - Tackhead (1989)
346. Birth of the Cool - Miles Davis (1950)
347. Explorations - Bill Evans (1961)
348. 154 - Wire (1979)
349. The Band - The Band (1969)
350. Everybody Knows This is Nowhere - Neil Young (1969)
351. Amsterdam - The Lofty Pillars (2001)
352. Shooting at the Moon - Kevin Ayers (1970)
353. The Lion and the Cobra - Sinead O'Connor (1987)
354. Future Days - Can (1973)
355. Miss America - Mary Margaret O'Hara (1988)
356. Strange Days - The Doors (1968)
357. Dummy - Portishead (1994)
358. Pure Electric Honey - Ant-Bee (1990)
359. Demanufacture - Fear Factory (1994)
360. Spleen & Ideal - Dead Can Dance (1985)
361. Love Agenda - Band Of Susans (1989)
362. Rock For Light - Bad Brains (1983)
363. Inside Out - John Martyn (1973)

7.7/10
364. Zeit - Tangerine Dream (1972)
365. Evangelista - Carla Bozulich (2006)
366. Metal Box - Public Image, Ltd (1979)
367. The End of the Game - Peter Green (1970)
368. Happiness - Lisa Germano (1993)
369. Second Annual Report - Throbbing Gristle (1977)
370. Electric Heavyland - Acid Mothers Temple (2002)
371. Tommy - The Who (1969)
372. Live/Dead - Grateful Dead (1969)
373. Trust - Low (2002)
374. You Are Free - Cat Power (2003)
375. Agaetis Byrjun (1999)
376. La Foret - Xiu Xiu (2005)
377. With Fontella Bass - Art Ensemble of Chicago (1970)
378. Sing to God - Cardiacs (1995)
379. Untitled - Tera Melos (2005)
380. L'ordure à L'état pur - Peste Noire (2011)
381. What Would the Community Think? - Cat Power (1996)
382. Eskimo - Residents (1979)
383. A Promise - Xiu Xiu (2003)
384. A Picture of Nectar - Phish (1992)
385. Shaking the Habitual - The Knife (2013)
386. Viscera - Jenny Hval (2011)
387. Conquistador! - Cecil Taylor (1967)
388. Mingus Ah Um - Charles Mingus (1959)
389. Live - The Velvet Underground (1974)
390. Mirror Man - Captain Beefheart (1971)
391. Watermark - Enya (1988)
392. Fear - John Cale (1974)
393. Orange - John Spencer Blues Explosion (1994)
394. Light as a Feather - Chick Corea (1972)
395. Journey in Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane (1970)
396. Person Pitch - Panda Bear (2007)
397. Yes - Morphine (1995)

7.6/10
398. No Borders Here - Jane Siberry (1983)
399. Watersports - Mi Ami (2009)
400. Apocalypse, girl - Jenny Hval (2015)
401. Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division (1979)
402. Long Division - Low (1995)
403. Joy Shapes - Charlambides (2004)
404. Beaches and Canyons - Black Dice (2001)
405. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco (2002)
406. Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy - Brian Eno (1974)
407. As One Aflame Laid Bare By Desire - Black Tape For A Blue Girl (1998)
408. Soft Moon - The Soft Moon (2010)
409. The Clash - The Clash (1977)
410. Circular Temple - Matthew Shipp (1990)
411. The Use of Memory - Franz Koglmann (1990)
412. The ArchAndroid - Janelle Monae (2010)
413. Orgy in Rhythm, Vol. 1 & 2 - Art Blakey (1957)
414. Jazz in Silhouette - Sun Ra (1958)
415. Cure For Pain - Morphine (1993)
416. TNT - Tortoise (1998)
417. Excavation - Haxan Cloak (2013)
418. Red Medicine - Fugazi (1995)
419. Let It Be - Replacements (1984)
420. Swordfishtrombones - Tom Waits (1983)
421. Da Capo - Love (1966)
422. The Madcap Laughs - Syd Barrett (1970)
423. Alchemy - Third Ear Band (1969)
424. Ride the Lightning - Metallica (1984)
-->>>REMOVE<<<--I-Led Zeppelin (1969)
426. OV - Orthrelm (2005)
427. Church Gone Wild/Chirpin' Hard - Hella (2005)
428. Undine - Anthony Davis (1987)
429. Slide - Lisa Germano (1998)
430. Fear of Music - Talking Heads (1979)
431. Ultravox! - Ultravox (1977)
432. America - John Fahey (1971)
433. Surfer Rosa - Pixies (1988)
434. Electro-Shock Blues - Eels (1998)
435. Creative Music Orchestra, Chicago 2001 - Scott Rosenberg (2003)
436. Holding Hands With Jamie - Girl Band (2015)
437. So Tonight That I Might See - Mazzy Star (1993)
438. Veedon Fleece - Van Morrison (1974)
439. Sackcloth 'n' Ashes - 16 Horsepower (1996)
440. Pink Moon - Nick Drake (1972)

7.5/10
441. Return To Cookie Mountain - TV On The Radio (2006)
442. Funeral - Arcade Fire (2004)
443. Bromst - Dan Deacon (2009)
444. Heroes - David Bowie (1977)
445. Stateless - Dirty Beaches (2014)
446. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - Kanye West (2010)
447. Korn - Korn (1994)
448. Pretty Hate Machine - Nine Inch Nails (1989)
449. The Problem With Me - Seam (1993)
450. Beautiful Freak - Eels (1996)
451. The Moon Seven Times - The Moon Seven Times (1993)
452. Mu - Don Cherry (1969) [Parts 1 & 2]
453. Ruby Vroom - Soul Coughing (1994)
454. Point of Departure - Andrew Hill (1964)
455. Return To Forever - Chick Corea (1972)
456. Goodbye and Hello - Tim Buckley (1967)
457. The Firstborn is Dead - Nick Cave (1985)
458. In Praise Of Learning - Henry Cow (1975)
459. Phantasies And Senseitions - Bugskull (1994)
460. Era of Diversion - Evol Intent (2008)
461. Street Horrrsing - Fuck Buttons (2008)
462. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye (1971)
463. Dead Magic - Anna Von Hausswolff (2018)
464. Blues For The Red Sun - Kyuss (1992)
465. Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair (1993)
466. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses (1989)
467. Rocket to Russia - Ramones (1977)
468. Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes (1983)
469. Kill 'Em All - Metallica (1983)
470. Damaged - Black Flag (1981)
471. Fun House - The Stooges (1970)
472. Prayer For The Halcyon Fear - Tiny Lights (1985)
473. Rust Never Sleeps - Neil Young (1979)
474. Tim - Replacements (1985)
475. Monster Walks The Winter Lake - David Thomas (1986)
476. Blanket Warm - Lullaby For the Working Class (1996)
477. Eli And The 13th Confession - Laura Nyro (1968)
478. King Kong - Jean Luc Ponty (1970)
479. Atem - Tangerine Dream (1973)
480. Departure From the Northern Wasteland - Michael Hoenig (1978)
481. The Mask and Mirror - Loreena McKennitt (1994)
482. Frank's Wild Years - Tom Waits (1987)
483. 77 - Talking Heads (1977)
484. Under The Pink - Tori Amos (1994)
485. Jessica Bailiff - Jessica Bailiff (2002)
486. Removal of Secrecy - Rova Saxophone Quartet (1979)
487. Shoot Out the Lights - Richard & Linda Thompson (1982)
488. The Twain Shall Meet - Eric Burdon (1968)
489. Warren Zevon - Warren Zevon (1976)
490. Stormcock - Roy Harper (1970)
491. Steal Your Face - Mi Ami (2010)
492. Butch - Geraldine Fibbers (1997)
493. Mr. Fantasy - Traffic (1967)

7.4/10
494. A Chaos Of Desire - Black Tape For A Blue Girl (1992)
495. I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight - Richard & Linda Thompson (1974)
496. Eye of the Hunter - Brendan Perry (1999)
497. The Complete Guide to Insufficiency - David Thomas Broughton (2005)
498. Clouddead - Clouddead (2001)
499. The Cold Vein - Cannibal Ox (2001)
500. Ritual of Hearts - Maquiladora (2002)
501. The College Dropout - Kanye West (2004)
502. The Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem (2000)

503. The Reality of My Surroundings - Fishbone (1991)
504. Solid Air - John Martyn (1973)
505. The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle - Bruce Springsteen (1973)
506. Superunknown - Soundgarden (1994)
507. 2 - Earth (1993)
508. Revealing - James Blood Ulmer (1977)
509. Beacon From Mars - Kaleidoscope (1968)
510. Lisbon - Keith Fullerton Whitman (2006)
511. Robin Holcomb - Robin Holcomb (1990)
512. Mount Eerie - Microphones (2003)
513. Giles Corey - Giles Corey (2011)
514. Smoke In The Shadows - Lydia Lunch (2004)
515. Your Bag - Lida Husik (1992)
516. Hard Again - Scott Tuma (2008)
517. Illinois - Sufjan Stevens (2005)
518. The Monitor - Titus Andronicus (2010)
519. Vitalogy - Pearl Jam (1994)
520. Gallowsbird's Bark - Fiery Furnaces (2003)
521. Sisteiris - Elegi (2007)
522. Mirrored - Battles (2007)
523. Mars Audiac Quintet - Stereolab (1994)
524. Largo - Brad Mehldau (2002)
525. Endtroducing - DJ Shadow (1996)
526. Timewind - Klaus Schulze (1975)
527. The Big Heat - Stan Ridgway (1986)
Forever Changes - Love (1967)
528. Buy - Contortions (1979)
529. Deserter's Songs - Mercury Rev (1998)
530. Life in a Bubble Can Be Beautiful - Red Stars Theory (1999)
531. Dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld (1994)
532. Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven - Godspeed You! Black Emperor (2000)
534. Harmonious Creature - Sarah Manning (2014)
535. The Magic Place - Julianna Barwick (2011)
536. Closer - Joy Division (1980)
537. White Soul - Green (1989)

7.3/10
538. Low - David Bowie (1977)
Skylarking - XTC (1986)
539. 1990 - Daniel Johnston (1990)
540. Aesthetica - Liturgy (2011)
541. Reign in Blood - Slayer (1986)
542. Psychocandy - Jesus and Mary Chain (1985)
543. Telephone Free Landslide Victory - Camper Van Beethoven (1985)
544. On Fire - Galaxie 500 (1989)
545. Marry Me - St Vincent (2007)
546. Siamese Dream - Smashing Pumpkins (1993)
547. Five Leaves Left - Nick Drake (1969)
548. Something / Anything? - Todd Rundgren (1972)
549. Landlocked - Witch Hazel (1995)
550. Late For the Sky - Jackson Browne (1974)
551. The Man in a Blue Turban With a Face - Man Man (2004)
553. Luxury Problems - Andy Stott (2012)
554. Immer Etwas - Nice Face (2010)
555. Glee - Bran Van 3000 (1998)
556. Untitled - Dalek (2010)
557. Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine (1992)
558. King Tears Bat Trip - King Tears Bat Trip (2012)
559. Low Kick & Hard Bop - Solex (2001)
560. Marshmallows - The For Carnation (1996)
561. Live From a Shark Cage - Papa M (1999)
562. The Emotional Plague - Supreme Dicks (1996)
563. Dub Housing - Pere Ubu (1978)
564. The Cross of Changes - Enigma (1993)
565. Blood Sutra - Vijay Iyer (2003)
566. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys (1966)
567. Odelay - Beck (1996)
White Music – XTC (1977)
568. If You're Feeling Sinister - Belle & Sebastian (1996)
Never Mind The Bollocks - Sex Pistols (1977)
569. Beggar's Banquet - Rolling Stones (1968)
570. Little Earthquakes - Tori Amos (1991)
571. Balaklava - Pearls Before Swine (1968)
572. The Land of Rape and Honey - Ministry (1988)
573. Ornette! - Ornette Coleman (1961)
574. Spirit They've Gone, Spirit They've Vanished - Animal Collective (2000)
575. Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt - John Frusciante (1994)
577. True Blue - Tina Brooks (1960)
578. Song Cycle - Van Dyke Parks (1967)
579. Fantasia For Guitar & Banjo - Sandy Bull (1963)
580. Ptoof! - Deviants (1967)
581. Circa Now - Rocket From The Crypt (1993)
582. Blue Afternoon - Tim Buckley (1969)
583. Fontessa - Modern Jazz Quartet (1956)
584. New York, NY - George Russell (1959)
585. Doolittle - Pixies (1989)
586. Giant Steps - John Coltrane (1959)
587. Jazz Mood - Yusef Lateef (1957)
588. My Favorite Things - John Coltrane (1961)
589. Aka-Darbari-Java Magic Realism - Jon Hassell (1983)
590. Whitechocolatespaceegg - Liz Phair (1998)
592. Pirates - Rickie Lee Jones (1981)
593. David Thomas Broughton vs. 7 Hertz - David Thomas Broughton (2007)
594. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill (1998)
On Avery Island - Neutral Milk Hotel (1996)
595. Murmur - R.E.M (1983)
597. Bellybutton - Jellyfish (1990)
598. Whiskey for the Holy Ghost - Mark Lanegan (1994)
-->>>REMOVE<<<---599. Have A Marijuana - David Peel (1969)
600. Blue Train - John Coltrane (1957)
601. Western Suite - Jimmy Giuffre (1958)
602. Structures From Silence - Steve Roach (1984)
603. Everclear - American Music Club (1991)
604. Sky-skating - Annette Peacock (1982)
-->>>REMOVE<<<---605. Damn The Torpedoes - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (1979)
606. Our Mother the Mountain - Townes Van Zandt (1969)
607. The Family That Plays Together - Spirit (1968)
608. Family Entertainment - Family (1969)
609. Leaves Me Blind - Underground Lovers (1993)
610. Excitable Boy - Warren Zevon (1978)
611. The Bandwagon - Jason Moran (2003)
612. The Tain - Decemberists (2005) [EP]
613. Lost Works of Eunice Phelps - Maquiladora (1998)
614. God Weed Satan: The Oneness - Ween (1990)
615. Miniature Portraits - 5ive Style (1999)
616. The Visitor - Jim O'Rourke (2009)
617. Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators - The 13th Floor Elevators (1966)
618. Good Old Boys - Randy Newman (1974)
619. 12 Songs - Randy Newman (1970)
620. The Silver Apples - The Silver Apples (1968)
621. They Might Be Giants - They Might Be Giants (1986)

UNRATED ALBUMS - PROBABLY 7.3/10+ - NEED TO BE RE-EVALUATED:
Crosscurrents - Lennie Tristano (1949)
Liberian Suite - Duke Ellington (1949)
The Third World - Herbie Nichols (1955)
Free Form - Joe Harriott (1960)
Jazz Abstractions - Gunther Schuller [John Lewis] (1960)
Free Fall - Jimmy Giuffre (1962)
Movement - Joe Harriott (1963)
Black Fire - Andrew Hill (1963)
Speak No Evil - Wayne Shorter (1964)
Empyrean Isles - Herbie Hancock (1964)
Witches and Devils - Albert Ayler (1964)
Interstellar Space - John Coltrane (1967)
Eternal Rhythm - Don Cherry (1968)
Natural Black Inventions - Root Strata - Roland Kirk (1971)
Music To Eat - Hampton Grease Band (1971)
Horses - Patti Smith (1975)
Pangaea - Miles Davis (1975)
Solo Trombone Record - George Lewis (1976)
Wilde Senoritas - Irene Schweizer (1976)
Mass on the World - Leo Smith (1978)
GI - Germs (1979)
LA - X (1980)
VS - Mission Of Burma (1982)
Head Over Heels - Cocteau Twins (1983)
Cop - Swans (1984)
Current Trends in Racism - Butch Morris (1985)
Introduce Yourself - Faith No More (1987)
Greed - Ambitious Lovers (1988)
Umber - Bitch Magnet (1989)
The Wolf At The Ruins - Forrest Fang (1989)
New York - Lou Reed (1989)
Flying Vegetables of the Apocalypse - Guy Klucevsek (1991)
Bozo - Lida Husik (1991)
Hung Far Low - Honeymoon Killers (1991)
Citi Movement - Wynton Marsalis (1992)
Evanescence - Maria Schneider (1992)
U.F. Orb - Orb (1992)
II / Brown Album - Orbital (1993)
The Return Of Red Emma - Lida Husik (1993)
A Day In The Stark Corner - Lycia (1993)
I Hope You're Sitting Down - Lambchop (1994)
The Burning Circle And Then Dust - Lycia (1995)
Testament - Butch Norris (1995)
Ellipsis - Guillermo Gregorio (1997)
Sounds Of The Satellites - Laika (1997)
The Thicket - David Grubbs (1998)
The Allegory of Hearing - Roy Montgomery (2000)
Going To Church - Joe Maneri (2000)
Anima - Vladislav Delay (2001)
Suite for Helen F - Ivo Perelman (2003)
Ladybird - Shit And Shine (2005)[/b][/i][/b]


Great list. Those marked with an underline are my favorites.
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Great list. Those marked with an underline are my favorites.


Thank you. Only a few more to go... Wink Very Happy
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Like almost all of Beefheart's recorded work, it was not even "ahead" of its time in 1969. Then and now, it stands outside time, trends, fads, hypes, the rise and fall of whole genres eclectic as walking Christmas trees, constituting a genre unto itself: truly, a musical Monolith if ever there was one. --Lester Bangs

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That record has an aura of "art-rock" that the previous albums don't have. The savage spontaneity of the warped blues in Mirror Man is transformed into an artistically conscious program, albeit just as spastic. The humor of Safe As Milk is abandoned in favor of an eccentric but serious humor reminiscent of Erik Satie. The infernal fumes of Strictly Personal evolve into complex and angular harmonies. What comes out is one of the most creative, courageous albums of all time, decades ahead on the rest of rock music. In many ways this record is the equivalent of the Fantasia in Schumann's career. Adorno wrote that the Fantasia only seems the product of a madman, while in reality it is the expression of the madman one second before folly takes over.

The work is so innovative and complex as to be nearly indecipherable. The rhythm section sounds so polyrhythmic that all rhythm is lost. The singing , vaguely interested in music, travels within alien universes. The guitar acts as atonal contracanto. The counterpoint of the ensemble is something halfway between the orchestral chaos of Charles Ives and the audacity of John Cage. The chaotic but rational improvisation is reminiscent of the frenetic geometry of Ornette Coleman, who in turn was influenced by Van Vliet. The heterogeneous meter that Van Vliet produces are to melody what the free poetry of the 1900's are to rhyme. But free-jazz and avant garde music are only alibis, pretexts to freely vent the leader's anarchical compulsions. The album is by all accounts an anthology of chaos in all its musical forms. For as deeply varied as they are from one another, these twenty-eight cuts are many versions of the same scene of devastation. Trout Mask Replica is above all a collage of abstract paintings, each different from the other in color, intensity and contrast, yet they're all homogeneous in their "abstraction".
Most of the songs are miniatures of dense, dark and crackling sounds that present themselves as a white man's rhythm and blues, but are in effect delirious episodes of psychosis. They preserve a shadow of bloodcurdling melody in the unbalanced bacchanal of the instruments, but is like the gasping of the moribund trying to articulate a phrase but only succeeding in putting together a blabbering mess...

Trout Mask Replica is a monumental experiment in irregularity and an impressive catalog of vocal acrobatics. Raucousness, gargling, heavy breathing, whispering, falsetto, etc. are needed in order to dismantle the art of singing and transform it in a degraded emission of beastly verses. The dominant instrument is the clarinet that pops up everywhere in a "hit and run" guerrilla mode. The overall meaning of the pandemonium in Trout Mask Replica is not only playfulness, or the negation of a meaning. The allegorical messages of Van Vliet's masterpiece are multiple, hidden by layers of abstractions that allow a cosmic-metaphysical interpretation, despite the author's pretense of illiteracy. These interpretations redirect the listener toward a form of apology for madness, to the primordial stages, and to chaos, counterposed against the monolithic order of technocratic society. Beefheart uses the Delta blues as a pretext, but dismembers its structure, rhythm, harmony, tonality and melody, and then reassembles the pieces randomly, injecting it with free-jazz and casual improvisation. Beefheart is the first musician to perform an avant garde operation of such capacity without the least intellectual pomposity. --Piero Scaruffi


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For The way beefheart sound he is in an Other category like The Other artists. But When you think trout is The best Album for you i agree Wink . For me it is a Demonstration of Avantgarde.
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I know you've gotten a lot of Scaruffi comparisons already, but I'd be interested in hearing the reasoning behind some of your biggest differing opinions on rock albums, specifically "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" and "Hosianna Mantra". I think that both of these albums represent a beautiful, transcendental type of self-expression and "spiritual" epiphanies and existential crises. You clearly prefer ITAOTS, and Scaruffi prefers Hosianna Mantra, do you accept this as a cultural difference or is there something else different in your criteria that makes you prefer ITAOTS?

Another topic of interest would be the importance of lyrics in music, which I haven't seen you mention yet. In your criteria, you have "emotional" and "conceptual" significance, but to what extent can lyrics alone meet these criteria? ITAOTS is an album driven by its lyrics, and Hosianna Mantra is an album driven by its instrumentation. These are two very different methods of expressing their concepts.

I think you would be interested to read Scaruffi's preface to his book "The History of Rock Music", where he states: "My bias is towards the music, not the lyrics: it is called "rock music", not "rock literature". And there's a reason: as literature, it is worth very little. Even the greatest rock lyricists are, at best, mediocre poets. No surprise, therefore, that i rarely mention the lyrics of a song. The overall feeling is, in general, much more important than the literal message." How much do you agree with his assessment? How would your list change if there were no lyrics in any of the albums?

This was just one thing I really wanted your opinion on, as "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" seems out of place on your list. I think it's a great album too, and I'd like to hear what you think about it.
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For The way beefheart sound he is in an Other category like The Other artists. But When you think trout is The best Album for you i agree Wink . For me it is a Demonstration of Avantgarde.


Thank you, my criteria for Rock/Art is, in essence: Emotional Expresssion + Conceptual Expression, cultivated by Creativity. It is unlikely there is a more extraordinary culmination of these elements in Rock than Trout Mask Replica, or perhaps Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom.
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I know you've gotten a lot of Scaruffi comparisons already, but I'd be interested in hearing the reasoning behind some of your biggest differing opinions on rock albums, specifically "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" and "Hosianna Mantra". I think that both of these albums represent a beautiful, transcendental type of self-expression and "spiritual" epiphanies and existential crises. You clearly prefer ITAOTS, and Scaruffi prefers Hosianna Mantra, do you accept this as a cultural difference or is there something else different in your criteria that makes you prefer ITAOTS?

Another topic of interest would be the importance of lyrics in music, which I haven't seen you mention yet. In your criteria, you have "emotional" and "conceptual" significance, but to what extent can lyrics alone meet these criteria? ITAOTS is an album driven by its lyrics, and Hosianna Mantra is an album driven by its instrumentation. These are two very different methods of expressing their concepts.

I think you would be interested to read Scaruffi's preface to his book "The History of Rock Music", where he states: "My bias is towards the music, not the lyrics: it is called "rock music", not "rock literature". And there's a reason: as literature, it is worth very little. Even the greatest rock lyricists are, at best, mediocre poets. No surprise, therefore, that i rarely mention the lyrics of a song. The overall feeling is, in general, much more important than the literal message." How much do you agree with his assessment? How would your list change if there were no lyrics in any of the albums?

This was just one thing I really wanted your opinion on, as "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" seems out of place on your list. I think it's a great album too, and I'd like to hear what you think about it.


Re: Aeroplane

Not a "complete" statement on Aeroplane but this is a pretty good summation from when I answered a similar question months ago:

"The entire album is a never ending circle/spiral through time, from its merry-go-round and unified emotional arc, down to the cyclic structures of individual songs, down to the circular chordal sequences. As a whole, it becomes akin to a single, elongated stream-of-consciousness that is constantly expanding or delving deeper into itself, a series of visions consistently on the verge of spiraling out of control or emotionally erupting out of its skin.

It is among the most sincere yet haphazardly heart-on-sleeve albums of all time, erupting in a whole new level of emotional honesty, conviction and abandon for songs realized primarily in strict pop formats. The singer, Jeff Mangum, is completely uninhibited and lost in the moment, and his backing band is extraordinarily evocative and nearly his equal in spontaneity. The album is performed as if it all just suddenly happened in a burst of miraculous inspiration. Lightning in a bottle that can never be repeated (not even by Mangum himself). Incredibly it doesn't come across as pretentious (which should be impossible considering its content and how it is expressed) because none of it sounds even remotely premeditated, but overwhelmingly inspired in the exact moment of elicitation. This is practically revolutionary for "pop music" which is generally highly contrived and usually restrictive of such inspiration and epiphany. It amounts to an anti-thesis or dichotomy upon the genre itself, an expressive force of nature its format is designed to inhibit, a paradigm shift for pop music and an emotional liberation and blueprint for artists ever since.

The album reinvigorates the young Bob Dylan in its folk, evangelical tones and streams-of-consciousness. It reinvigorates the wragged glory and moral odysseys of Neil Young. It reinvigorates the surreal Pop Art of Pearls Before Swine and The Beatles' Strawberry Fields Forever and Across the Universe. It reinvigorates the wild, circus atmospheres of Frank Zappa's masterpieces. It reinvigorates the awestruck, characterful vocal elocution and sonority of Stan Ridgway's most expressive works.

It synthesizes all of these, surpassing them into its own inimitable delirium, an incredible outpouring of courageous emotional honesty.

Emotionally the album constantly strikes a dilated paradox between overwhelming depression, sympathy, loss and nostalgia with an awestruck, child-like wonder or ecstacy. Virtually every phrase of voice and instrument holds this juxtaposition to bear in wide-eyed visions and lullabies. Due to this, the result is simultaneously devastating and life-affirming.

Ultimately its emotional expressions are a tremendous suffering of abandonment, as if in great sympathy and tenderness, from a longing, yearning and needy newborn or child to his dying mother. Its lullabies are the sound (literally, physically) of Mangum being cradled and rocking interminably and inconsolably in the devastation and disbelief at such irreversible loss. Ultimately, it is Mangum, through an astonishing and paralyzing emotional transference, physically and expressively becoming the Anne Frank of her diaries merged unto his own, eliciting a synthesis of his personality through hers in a collision of shock and despair, carrying her dead body against his in monumental scenes of burden and compassion."
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I know you've gotten a lot of Scaruffi comparisons already, but I'd be interested in hearing the reasoning behind some of your biggest differing opinions on rock albums, specifically "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" and "Hosianna Mantra". I think that both of these albums represent a beautiful, transcendental type of self-expression and "spiritual" epiphanies and existential crises. You clearly prefer ITAOTS, and Scaruffi prefers Hosianna Mantra, do you accept this as a cultural difference or is there something else different in your criteria that makes you prefer ITAOTS?


I'm not sure as I've never asked him about these ones. For Aeroplane, I can only say that I very likely see more emotional expression, conceptual significance and creativity in the album than he does, and that perhaps I've evaluated it more extensively and closely than he has. His review is very short and is probably an indication that he hasn't listened to it very closely (yet), maybe just 1 time and will get back around to it? Just a hunch. Maybe that will change his rating, maybe it won't. I mean, Aeroplane obviously has its touchstones/forebears, but there's nothing actually like it. He might be less impressed by it and may feel that it wears its derivations too strongly and isn't independent enough, but I would argue that this may be a case where he hasn't listened to it enough to see that it stands out much more than that and is far more personal and extraordinary than it might seem at first glance.

Not sure what to say about Hosianna Mantra, because I haven't listened to it much in the last few years and I've been listening to dozens/hundreds of other works all pretty recently, so I don't really have it close in mind in terms of nuances. But an 8.4 is a very high rating from me. It probably just comes down to (a) he has greater experience in world music, new age type music, and alike genres/subgenres that usually makes me take longer to assimilate as fully as he has. Or merely personal preference, and maybe this is one we'll never quite see eye to eye on like some others.

geologist wrote:

Another topic of interest would be the importance of lyrics in music, which I haven't seen you mention yet. In your criteria, you have "emotional" and "conceptual" significance, but to what extent can lyrics alone meet these criteria? ITAOTS is an album driven by its lyrics, and Hosianna Mantra is an album driven by its instrumentation. These are two very different methods of expressing their concepts.


Lyrics have some value but much more important is how they're expressed in terms of sound/vocal performance. This is what gives the words most of their musical value, thought it's also a "chicken and egg" thing because artists are of course more likely to sing with conviction and creativity about lyrics/themes they have emotional investment in and that are creatively thought/written.

geologist wrote:

I think you would be interested to read Scaruffi's preface to his book "The History of Rock Music", where he states: "My bias is towards the music, not the lyrics: it is called "rock music", not "rock literature". And there's a reason: as literature, it is worth very little. Even the greatest rock lyricists are, at best, mediocre poets. No surprise, therefore, that i rarely mention the lyrics of a song. The overall feeling is, in general, much more important than the literal message." How much do you agree with his assessment? How would your list change if there were no lyrics in any of the albums?


I agree with him for sure and would just add what I said above as a further explanation.

It's impossible to assume how much an album like The Doors, Trout Mask Replica, Lisa Germano, Van Morrison, Dylan (etc) would change without lyrics (such as worldless vocal performances) because the lyrics represent thoughts and ideas that the artist is invested in that lead him to their performance in the first place. But there are many examples of highly rated albums with little or no vocals when one looks at most of the Jazz selections, a decent helping of the Rock, and many of the Classical selections, so there is no bias towards either. The expression, with or without words, is most important.

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This was just one thing I really wanted your opinion on, as "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" seems out of place on your list. I think it's a great album too, and I'd like to hear what you think about it.


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What is your favorite album that Scaruffi has never assigned a score to?


Beethoven's 9th, especially my listed recording/album ... then all the "Greatest Classical" selections from the top down on my list (and the hundreds I havent rated/ranked yet Wink

Maybe not exactly what you meant though... Very Happy

For Rock, I used to rate lots of them before Scaruffi throughout the 2000s, and once he rated it they were usually the same or very close, particularly after circa 2006 as my ratings scale got increasingly similar to his. I think Ys was the highest one (8 at the time, more recently a 9 for me).

Theyre fewer and farther between these days. With how busy my life is, efficiency for me is very important, and I dont have time to go through lots of lower rated works to find the better ones. So I "use" Scaruffi for this for the most part (therefore I dont often discover many before him)

That said, I think Father Murphy's Croce and Dirty Beaches Stateless (7.5 each) are the highest rated Rock on my list that he hasnt rated yet. Though there were lots of Jazz before recently when he finally got around to them (we agreed about 75% overall ... above 80% pre 90s).
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