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Trout Mask Replica vs. White Light/White Heat

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Poll: Trout Mask Replica vs. White Light/White Heat
Trout Mask Replica
33%
 33%  [18]
White Light/White Heat
66%
 66%  [36]
Total Votes : 54

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Amirkhosro



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#1 | Posted: 01/27/2018 20:37 | Post subject: Trout Mask Replica vs. White Light/White Heat Reply with quote
Arguably two of the biggest and most important, innovative and abrasive avant-garde albums in the entire history of rock music. Which one's better and why?
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#2 | Posted: 01/27/2018 20:52 | Post subject: Re: Trout Mask Replica vs. White Light/White Heat Reply with quote
Amirkhosro wrote:
Arguably two of the biggest and most important, innovative and abrasive avant-garde albums in the entire history of rock music. Which one's better and why?


I'm not sure they are all that comparable. I always bracket trout mask with something like Y by the Pop Group. I often wonder if trout mask is some sort of elaborate in joke. I still don't really know what to make of it.
I do love white light/white heat.
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glynspsa



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#3 | Posted: 01/27/2018 21:49 | Post subject: Reply with quote
I love them both i simply chose trout mask because it calls out to me more than white light white heat but again both are brilliant records.
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#4 | Posted: 01/27/2018 22:03 | Post subject: Reply with quote
See, I don't find WL/WH avant-garde in the slightest. The title track is fuzzed-out boogie-woogie played by Jerry Lee Lewis on speedballs. The Gift is just some Welsh bloke banging on about cheap alternatives to extortionate interstate travel costs and their potential pitfalls. The melody for Here She Comes Now could have come out of one of those jewellery boxes that the ballerina pops out of. And Sister Ray is just rock 'n' roll about some cross-dressers having a gang-bang. All perfectly normal. In fact I find William Shatner harder to digest.

It took me 241 listens to finally understand Trout Mask Replica. I think my turntable was set at the wrong speed prior to this. The main result of which being that since then I've never been able to answer the phone properly without shouting "IT'S THE BLIMP FRANK! IT'S THE BLIMP!" down the other end, which obviously makes people trying to talk to you about mis-sold PPI hang up. It's quite effective - you should all try it.

In summary then oh no. I'm a Velvets whore.
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#5 | Posted: 01/27/2018 22:39 | Post subject: Reply with quote
Not even remotely comparable. I really kike them both....although it occurs to neither them or on any of my charts. I have listened White Light more if that counts for anything. I don't think it does, though.
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#6 | Posted: 01/27/2018 22:47 | Post subject: Reply with quote
For me, one is easy listening and the other, well... I have to brace myself for sometimes... like this is gonna hurt, but it hurts so good.
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#7 | Posted: 01/28/2018 06:12 | Post subject: Re: Trout Mask Replica vs. White Light/White Heat Reply with quote
Graeme2 wrote:
I'm not sure they are all that comparable.

They're only comparable in that both are well-known experimental rock albums. Trout Mask's markedly more experimental, sounds less like any other album than WL/WH. Also, while WL/WH's my favorite Velvets album because I value the offbeat, I have to concede that VU & Nico's more consistently good. So the Velvet's second best album against Beefheart's best. For me, no contest.
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Komorebi-D



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#8 | Posted: 01/28/2018 07:48 | Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree with the general consensus here that the two aren't comparable but goddamn! I didn't think the vote would be in favour of The Velvet Underground. I guess I'm still under the impression that most people think they're overrated (not me, of course).
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badseed



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#9 | Posted: 01/28/2018 08:21 | Post subject: Reply with quote
I was gonna answer this poll, but I haven't got the time time. Too busy sucking on a ding dong.
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#10 | Posted: 01/28/2018 14:13 | Post subject: Reply with quote
Tbh I thought VU's debut was more avant-garde.

[/i]Trout Mask Replica is an incredible album but people talk about it like it's some inscrutable cipher materialised out of the ether. It was made by Beefheart doodling on a piano he had no idea how to play, and John French transcribing those doodles and turning it into actual music. It's an incredible achievement, and it's a difficult album on first listen for sure, but once you stop trying to wrestle the individual tracks into uniform and familiar structures and let the whole thing wash over you, a veil falls and it goes from frustrating to bracing.
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