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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 05/01/2018 04:18
- Post subject: Regional Music: Competition & Discussion
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Welcome to what might become the ultimate Regional Music thread. This thread is not only to share your favorite/best Regional Music records to compete in the Genre Olympics, but also to learn and share all you want/can about Regional Music and all it's sub-genres.
And the medals go to:
Gold
Music Of India (Three Classical Ragas) by Ravi Shankar
Silver
Expensive Shit by Fela Kuti & Africa 70
Bronze
Heart Of The Congos by The Congos
Honorable mention goes to Bob Marley's Legend album...  hehe just kidding..
Thank you all for your participation. This is a fine lineup giving us a glimpse into music from India, Nigeria, and Jamaica.
Here are the top 10 finalists for the Regional Music Genre Olympics. Next steps are for anyone and everyone to rank the following albums (even if you didn't submit during the original qualifications to rank the following albums. See OP on how the point system works (#1 weighted with 10 points and #10 with 1 point). Unless we get more voters, this might all stay the same. Commentary on why you voted the way you did is always insightful. Enjoy!
1. Jamaica
Heart Of The Congos by The Congos
2. Nigeria
Expensive Shit by Fela Kuti & Africa 70
3. India
Music Of India (Three Classical Ragas) by Ravi Shankar
4. Brazil
Acabou Chorare by Novos Baianos
5. Belgium/Egypt
Gedida by Natacha Atlas
6. Mexico
Rodrigo y Gabriela by Rodrigo y Gabriela
7. Bahamas
A Second Album Of Bahamian Songs by Blind Blake
8. Cuba
Buena Vista Social Club by Buena Vista Social Club
9. Arles, France
Allegria (1990) by Gipsy Kings
10. Brazil
Os Afro-Sambas De Baden E Vinícius by ... de Moraes
11. "Indigenous Australian" is what Wikipedia says
Gurrumul by Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu
Regional Music includes, but is not limited to African, Asian, Caribbean, Middle Eastern, and Latin Music. As there will be a Folk/Classical thread, this is not to include Western Music. Anything else goes.
Competition:
Submit nominations of your top 10 albums (with which region it comes from) - where #10 = 1 point and #1 = 10 points. The ten albums with the most points from these nominations will be in the running for the Olympic medal for the genre and then people could listen to all ten and rank the ten with the same points structure to determine the winners. Timeline to be determined.
Discussion:
1. Social/historical/cultural significance
2. Some kind of question you want answered/discussed
3. Thoughts on the production/recordings
4. Analytical critique
5. Interesting stuff about the band/artist
6. Anything else you want to share/ask
Generic Info:
Rate Your Music Genre Portal: https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Regional+Music/
Wiki on Popular African Music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_popular_music
Wiki on Asian Music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Asia
Wiki on Caribbean Music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C...sic_genres
Wiki on Latin Music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_music
Wiki on "world" music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_mus...erminology
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- Posted: 05/01/2018 07:24
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So, this genre is kind of bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see what comes up in this thread. And yes, it is important to keep sight of the context that traditional music sits in. But at what point does something step out of tradition and become something else? I'll talk about some stuff that neatly fits in to this thread, but first I want to talk about some stuff that ends up in this type of category that causes some problems.
Internal Combustion by Glen Velez
Glen Velez is a Mexican-American man who did tremendous work in promoting techniques for frame drums. Don't take my word for it though, why not read what the Percussive Arts Society has to say in his entry in their hall of fame http://www.pas.org/about/hall-of-fame/glen-velez
So for this album, RYM just straight up doesn't even try to put it into a genre, and discogs has it in the Folk, World & Country one. But this isn't music that belongs to any specific region, really. He's taking frame drum instruments from different cultures which use the instruments in combination with other non-drum instruments, and isolating them in a way that brings them all together outside of their original contexts and into something that develops an approach to hand drumming that carries over to all of the instruments.
I love this album, but I'm really not sure if it belongs here, and if it ending up in this sort of category makes it a sort of "toxic cosmopolitanism" to borrow a term from Kassel Jaeger. I think this is a totally valid musical pursuit, but the problem is that the categories do not accommodate it and it ends up somewhere like here.
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bobbyb5
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- Posted: 05/01/2018 07:47
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Btw, I agree with the guy above who said all these categories are bit murky to say the least. Whenever I hear people talk about world music and stuff they're always arguing about it. But I don't know enough to really speak about it myself. And most of the ones I chose I understand aren't anything like indigenous folk music or anything. So I just took literally the term Regional, as more of a location thing then a pure musical Thing.
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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 01:55
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| Tap wrote: | | So, this genre is kind of bullshit. |
Fo shizzle.
Thanks for participating anyway. I look forward to checking out that album.
I kind of think Genre's in general are, tbh. None of it is an exact science. And even experts can't really agree on definitions of genre's. The gist of it they can, but it often fluctuates and massive dumbass arguments ensue.
This especially is difficult though because it's this massive blanket term that often just basically means non-Anglo Saxon colonialist. Post-Colonialism is another aspect of looking at this. And that's extremely broad too, but the effort is worthy.
I think you should include it if you feel it fits your definition of whatever this Genre is "trying" to accomplish. Your version of that world. World music, regional music, ethnic music... whatever you want to call it.
I intend on learning about areas of the world I know nothing about their music and my list I hope maybe is a great/fantastic album from each area... or something. That's the brainstorm for now on how to handle this one.
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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 01:56
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| bobbyb5 wrote: | | Btw, I agree with the guy above who said all these categories are bit murky to say the least. Whenever I hear people talk about world music and stuff they're always arguing about it. But I don't know enough to really speak about it myself. And most of the ones I chose I understand aren't anything like indigenous folk music or anything. So I just took literally the term Regional, as more of a location thing then a pure musical Thing. |
Exactly. Thanks for the submission (and doing it "right" by adding where it was from). I look forward to getting to know those albums.
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 02:24
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| sethmadsen wrote: | | Thanks for participating anyway. I look forward to checking out that album. |
oh I'll have more to say for sure, the problems go deeper (need to get into tropicalia and psychedelic rock but I don't think I'll be able to until tomorrow)
In the meantime here's something more straightforward
Missa Luba by Les Troubadours Du Roi Baudouin
Subtitled "a mass sung in pure congolese style and native songs of the congo", this is a Congolese boys choir backed by percussion performing some incredibly gorgeous stuff, doing some traditional music followed by something a little more Catholic, but with a very distinct character that draws from the traditional music and allegedly incorporates improvisation tho I have no idea how it actually works in the music. Sanctus is a standout, very short but incredibly effective, if anyone's looking for a preview you should go with that.
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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 02:29
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I hope Hayden doesn't mind me sharing his charts (let me know if you do), but he's got a treasure trove for this thread:
1. Jamaica
https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=38783
2. African (I'm 99% sure) or described by Hayden as:
Afrobeat, mande, jazz, tizita, songhai, tishoumaren, soukous, fon, blues, morna, wolof, juju, highlife, marabi, kizomba, gumbe, disco, mbalax, synthpop, wassoulou, zamrock, nubian, hiplife, choral, coladeira, funk, tassu, bikutsi, makossa, gnawa, tuareg, yoruba, biltong, mandazis.
https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=18070
3. South America (Latin)
https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=32346
4. And then his "Around The World In 80 (or so) Days" project:
https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=41047 https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=41659
https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=43867
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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 02:42
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The first two Latin albums I feel in love with.
This played non-stop at Papa's and Beer, a Mexican restaurant I worked at (as the only gringo to have ever done so) for a little over a year in Van Nuys (They are called Papas and Salsa now, I highly recommend the food if you are ever in the San Fernando Valley, CA).
The song writing and the guitar playing are sensational: (Columbia)
Un Día Normal by Juanes
I can't really remember how I got into this album or how it fell in my lap, but I remember someone who spoke Spanish said one of the songs said something like, Papa, don't hit Mama. They lyric moved me, but as much so was the passion in which they played guitar and sang. The recording isn't amazing, but their passion is clear, and that's what I loved about it: (Arles, France - but sing in Spanish)
Allegria (1990) by Gipsy Kings
And for me, while Sigor Ros is clearly western music, it also was one of the first bands I fell in love with who I had no idea what they were saying. Honorable mention I suppose, even if I wouldn't consider that within the genre.
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Tha1ChiefRocka
Yeah, well hey, I'm really sorry.
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- Posted: 05/02/2018 02:51
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So, I want to know more about traditional forms of Asian music, particularly China, India, and Middle Eastern Nations.
For starters, I'll put a top 10 for several regions that I already know pretty well.
Brazil
1 Os Afro-Sambas De Baden E Vinícius by Baden Powell & Vinícius de Moraes
2 Racional Vol. 1 & 2 by Tim Maia
3 Minas by Milton Nascimento
4 Mistérios Da Amazônia by Cariocas & Devas
5 Nelson Ângelo e Joyce by Joyce & Nelson Ângelo
6 Sergio Mendes Presents Lobo by Edu Lobo
7 Campo de Sonhos by Priscilla Ermel
8 Nasceu by Mario Avellar
9 Não Me Lembre Demais, Nem Me Esqueça by Junia Horta
10 Quarteto Novo by Quarteto Novo
Scandinavian (and Swiss) Metal
1 Arntor by Windir Norway
2 In the Nightside Eclipse by Emperor Norway
3 Blood Fire Death by Bathory Sweden
4 Into The Pandemonium by Celtic Frost Switzerland
5 Nightfall by Candlemass Sweden
6 A Blaze in the Norther Sky by Darkthrone Norway
7 Fear of Tomorrow by Artillery Denmark
8 III by Darkspace Switzerland
9 Filosofem by [Burzum Norway
10 Bergtatt – Et eeventyr i 5 capitler by Ulver Norway
African
1 New Ancient Strings by Toumani Diabete & Ballake Sissoko Mali
2 African Electronic Music 1975 - 1982 by Francis Bebey Cameroon
3 Live! by Fela Kuti & Africa 70 With Ginger Baker Nigeria (could also be Expensive Shit or Sorrow Tears and Blood)
4 Faso Denou by Farafina Burkina Faso
5 Set by Youssou N'Dour Senegal
6 La Grande Cantatrice Malienne Vol. 3 by Nahawa Doumbia Mali
7 This is Marijata by Marijata Ghana
8 Shaka Bundu by Penny Penny South Africa
9 Horizon Unlimited by Lijadu Sisters Nigeria
10 Nomad by Bombino Niger
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