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#21 | Posted: 11/20/2018 04:53 | Post subject: Reply with quote
baystateoftheart wrote:
It seems like every time music addresses a topic in a way that doesn't inspire people to overcome their struggles or whatever, we rehash this conversation.

And that's just a tasteless remark on his suicide. Let me guess - you think people who don't 'conquer' their depression are weak-willed?

The constant societal pressure to sweep feelings under the rug, to be inspirational, and to keep a stiff upper lip is what contributes to many people not seeking mental health treatment when they need it, out of shame and stigma. Go figure.


Who said anything about sweeping anything under the rug? Deal with it yourself, or deal with it by seeking help. Do whatever works. So your guess about me is dead wrong.

And dude was rich and adored beyond his wildest dreams. He could have afforded the best help on the planet. No pity points there. Call it tasteless all day long if you like, but it's a classic case of "truth hurts." Labeling someone who couldn't even find a way to go on living as a genius is the height of ridiculousness.
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash



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#22 | Posted: 11/20/2018 05:08 | Post subject: Reply with quote
Fischman wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
It seems like every time music addresses a topic in a way that doesn't inspire people to overcome their struggles or whatever, we rehash this conversation.

And that's just a tasteless remark on his suicide. Let me guess - you think people who don't 'conquer' their depression are weak-willed?

The constant societal pressure to sweep feelings under the rug, to be inspirational, and to keep a stiff upper lip is what contributes to many people not seeking mental health treatment when they need it, out of shame and stigma. Go figure.


Who said anything about sweeping anything under the rug? Deal with it yourself, or deal with it by seeking help. Do whatever works. So your guess about me is dead wrong.

And dude was rich and adored beyond his wildest dreams. He could have afforded the best help on the planet. No pity points there. Call it tasteless all day long if you like, but it's a classic case of "truth hurts." Labeling someone who couldn't even find a way to go on living as a genius is the height of ridiculousness.


God forbid anyone makes art about it; that would be bitching and moaning. And definitely don't feel free to talk openly or publicly about living with mental illness; keep it inside a therapist's office at all times. It's pretty plain that you are advocating for it to stay behind closed doors. But it can put an incredible strain on people with mental illness to keep that part of their life totally private and unspoken of outside a context of 'overcoming adversity' inspiration porn. No one is asking for you to listen to or engage with someone who talks about their mental illness if you don't want to, just not to disparage people who are more open and try to break down the stigma.

And how is my guess about you dead wrong when you literally made that argument in your second paragraph? Lol
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#23 | Posted: 11/20/2018 05:15 | Post subject: Reply with quote
Fischman wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
It seems like every time music addresses a topic in a way that doesn't inspire people to overcome their struggles or whatever, we rehash this conversation.

And that's just a tasteless remark on his suicide. Let me guess - you think people who don't 'conquer' their depression are weak-willed?

The constant societal pressure to sweep feelings under the rug, to be inspirational, and to keep a stiff upper lip is what contributes to many people not seeking mental health treatment when they need it, out of shame and stigma. Go figure.


Who said anything about sweeping anything under the rug? Deal with it yourself, or deal with it by seeking help. Do whatever works. So your guess about me is dead wrong.

And dude was rich and adored beyond his wildest dreams. He could have afforded the best help on the planet. No pity points there. Call it tasteless all day long if you like, but it's a classic case of "truth hurts." Labeling someone who couldn't even find a way to go on living as a genius is the height of ridiculousness.


If it hasn't ever affected you, then I understand; I used to think the same way. And then a family member of mine did the same thing completely out of nowhere. Changed my whole perspective on the matter. Now he wasn't Kurt Cobain, but, for all intents and purposes, he was successful in life and didn't show any signs of doing what he did. It was completely unexpected and unexplainable.
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sethmadsen
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#24 | Posted: 11/20/2018 05:40 | Post subject: Reply with quote
HairMetul4eva. Shredding scales is musics' greatest accomplishment! The most boring 8th notes of the same bass note the entire song!

Oh wait...

No, dude was so full of raw and honest emotion, anyone who can't take Nirvana at least that is missing a huge picture.

Also please go home if all you can think about is teen angst. Perhaps that was the reaction by many, but that's not what this music is. Also go have some compassion for someone struggling from depression. It might give you insight to the true feelings here, not just teen angst.

EDIT: sorry, didn't see the discussion going on. Also haven't we had this discussion before?
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#25 | Posted: 11/20/2018 05:51 | Post subject: Reply with quote
Fischman wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
It seems like every time music addresses a topic in a way that doesn't inspire people to overcome their struggles or whatever, we rehash this conversation.

And that's just a tasteless remark on his suicide. Let me guess - you think people who don't 'conquer' their depression are weak-willed?

The constant societal pressure to sweep feelings under the rug, to be inspirational, and to keep a stiff upper lip is what contributes to many people not seeking mental health treatment when they need it, out of shame and stigma. Go figure.


Who said anything about sweeping anything under the rug? Deal with it yourself, or deal with it by seeking help. Do whatever works. So your guess about me is dead wrong.

And dude was rich and adored beyond his wildest dreams. He could have afforded the best help on the planet. No pity points there. Call it tasteless all day long if you like, but it's a classic case of "truth hurts." Labeling someone who couldn't even find a way to go on living as a genius is the height of ridiculousness.


You clearly have never experienced mental anguish. Sorry, if you want a bit of truth, that's it cause anyone who has experienced that level of mental anguish... they get the help and (he did by the way)... sometimes lose hope because even the best help can't help...

I typically love your love for music Fischmann, but you dug yourself in a bad hole here. I really hope you rethink this point of view.


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#26 | Posted: 11/20/2018 07:08 | Post subject: Reply with quote
I really thought that we, as a society, had moved on from that "successful people shouldn't have mental health issues" bullshit. Well done Fischman for your impressively outdated social attitudes.

Also, whilst I am pretty much indifferent to this record, the idea that art has to have a particular message or attitude to be considered valid is a bizarre one. You have bad opinions, man.
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#27 | Posted: 11/20/2018 07:57 | Post subject: Reply with quote
@Fischman
I understand if you dislike the album, but the minute you go after the artist, (and even go so low as bringing their deaths into discussion, in such a distasteful way), really illustrates that you; don't know what you're talking about, searching for any reason to discredit Nevermind, and you have no interest in how other people express/deals/fights with physical and mental issues.

And speaking of that last mentioned, seeking help - in the end - doesn't help. I've lived with mental illness and depression: i seeked help, at the most acclaimed mental-health-centers and asylums, around. But guess what: my depression went deeper. They didn't understand me - they were way too quick to judge, pigeonhole, and were very delusional. So by your logic, if these types of people don't/cannot help you, nobody can. But if you try to express it out of your passion for something like art, it's called "bitching and moaning"?!? And you must not suicide either? It's a lose-lose-lose situation.

Have a nice day - we all hope you "overcome" that diluted knowledge, and learn from this discussion.

PS: Philosophy aside, this album is a straightforward, well-played, masterfully written, and powerfully sung alternative rock LP, crafting grunge atmosphere and pop-catchiness. If any kid with an immature background can play Nirvana, then immaturity and maturity of art must have switched definitions.
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baystateoftheart
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#28 | Posted: 11/20/2018 15:37 | Post subject: Reply with quote
raadfactoryxny wrote:
And speaking of that last mentioned, seeking help - in the end - doesn't help. I've lived with mental illness and depression: i seeked help, at the most acclaimed mental-health-centers and asylums, around. But guess what: my depression went deeper. They didn't understand me - they were way too quick to judge, pigeonhole, and were very delusional.


I am sorry you've had bad experiences with the mental health system, and I don't know what it's like in Denmark. But myself and many people I know have had positive results. It depends on who you end up seeing, and sometimes it's necessary to try a lot of people before there is a good fit. I would definitely encourage people to seek help in most circumstances.
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#29 | Posted: 11/20/2018 16:52 | Post subject: Reply with quote
baystateoftheart wrote:
I am sorry you've had bad experiences with the mental health system, and I don't know what it's like in Denmark. But myself and many people I know have had positive results. It depends on who you end up seeing, and sometimes it's necessary to try a lot of people before there is a good fit. I would definitely encourage people to seek help in most circumstances.


Local hospitals generally run programs and support groups that meet for these sorts of things.

I would assume that's the same in most places.
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#30 | Posted: 11/20/2018 17:20 | Post subject: Reply with quote
They don't wanna figure out what the problem is with your life, they think they know you better than your own mother just after a 45-minute interview asking the same question shaped in 30 ways - and then a fault-diagnosis has done and are staying no matter how much you prove them wrong.
- I do have an independent psychologist rn, who's understanding me a lot (as far as I'm writing this). Thanks for the caring, and great to hear it has helped some of you, but for me, it was like a strangling hand, coming when I already couldn't breathe.

Last thing, about trying different ppl until you get the right ones is tiring, using the energy and somberness for nothing, again and again...

But throughout the periods, artists like Kurt Cobain, XXXTentacion etc. are there for me. That's why I got a little emotional when I saw Fischman post his ignorance. Sorry about that.
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