some of the biggest artists/geniuses ever have Aspergers - Music

DommeDamian
Imperfect, sensitive Aspie with a melody addiction

Gender: Male
Age: 23
Location: where the flowers grow.

Michael Jackson
Eminem
Bob Dylan
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Ludwig Van Beethoven
D'Angelo
Robbie Williams
KiD CuDi
Hopsin
Courtney Love
Kurt Cobain
XXXTentacion
James Taylor
David Byrne
Glenn Gould
Bernard Summer

Not only musicians but geniuses in general like
Michelangelo
Søren Kierkegaard
James Joyce
Albert Einstein
Fredrich Nietzsche
Abraham Lincoln
Vincent Van Gogh
Bill Gates

just to name a few....
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Skinny
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Cool that all these people were able to be accurately diagnosed posthumously.
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Fischman
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Skinny wrote:

Cool that all these people were able to be accurately diagnosed posthumously.

All?

I think the RIP thread is going to grow suddenly. I had no idea about Dylan, Love, Eminem, Taylor, KiD CuDi, Hopspin, Byrne, Sumner!!! All lost??? Wha... were they all on the same plane that crashed?

meccalecca
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Skinny wrote:

Cool that all these people were able to be accurately diagnosed posthumously.

Especially considering Asperger's was eliminated as a separate diagnosis in the DSM-5.
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Fischman wrote:

All?

I think the RIP thread is going to grow suddenly. I had no idea about Dylan, Love, Eminem, Taylor, KiD CuDi, Hopspin, Byrne, Sumner!!! All lost??? Wha... were they all on the same plane that crashed?

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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad

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Goethe called his muse a demon. Genius in the natural sense.

To say the artist isn't a tortured soul... blah blah blah.

baystateoftheart
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Location: Massachusetts

meccalecca wrote:

Especially considering Asperger's was eliminated as a separate diagnosis in the DSM-5.

The DSM applies to the US. Apparently internationally there is still lots of debate about whether to adopt the same merger with autism.
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash

Age: 29
Location: Massachusetts

Can you produce any evidence from a reputable source about these musicians having this diagnosis? Second-hand speculation doesn't count. The only famous musician I am aware of with the diagnosis is Susan Boyle.

Also what is your point in making this thread?
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Tha1ChiefRocka
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baystateoftheart wrote:

The DSM applies to the US. Apparently internationally there is still lots of debate about whether to adopt the same merger with autism.

I'm one for them being separate diagnoses. In education, if I have 5 students in a class whose IEPs just say "autism", then what am I supposed to understand from that? The range of "the spectrum" is so broad that it makes it more difficult to understand what the particular issue may be and what could be done to assist the student. Someone low on the spectrum is likely to have another kind of learning disability, and a child on the higher end of the spectrum (which means they may have the social issues associated with Aspergers) likely is average or above average intellectually.

Also, I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way in hell that Abraham Lincoln had Aspergers. He was a fantastic orator, debater, and story-teller.

Quick internet search came up with this.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog...h-swimmers

baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash

Age: 29
Location: Massachusetts

Tha1ChiefRocka wrote:

I'm one for them being separate diagnoses. In education, if I have 5 students in a class whose IEPs just say "autism", then what am I supposed to understand from that? The range of "the spectrum" is so broad that it makes it more difficult to understand what the particular issue may be and what could be done to assist the student. Someone low on the spectrum is likely to have another kind of learning disability, and a child on the higher end of the spectrum (which means they may have the social issues associated with Aspergers) likely is average or above average intellectually.

Also, I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way in hell that Abraham Lincoln had Aspergers. He was a fantastic orator, debater, and story-teller.

Quick internet search came up with this.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog...h-swimmers

It seems like the lack of detail in IEPs is a separate problem that needs to be addressed, and one that having two diagnoses instead of one would only partially and clumsily patch. If Asperger's is simply a portion of the autism spectrum (and I don't know enough to argue a side), I don't see a good reason for separating it.
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