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Poll: Do You Agree with this list
Absolutely
15%
 15%  [2]
Roughly
23%
 23%  [3]
It's Okay
38%
 38%  [5]
Not Accurate
15%
 15%  [2]
Awful
7%
 7%  [1]
Total Votes : 13

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ForegroundNoise
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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 22:00
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Recently user MCOTho made a thread detailing the BEA top 20 hip hop albums and asked what people thought of them, and I thought it'd be neat to do one with jazz. At the time of posting, this is our jazz top twenty and well ...

1. Kind Of Blue by Miles Davis (38)
2. A Love Supreme by John Coltrane (89)
3. The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady by Charles Mingus (135)
4. Bitches Brew by Miles Davis (187)
5. In A Silent Way by Miles Davis (272)
6. Mingus Ah Um by Charles Mingus (298)
7. Time Out by The Dave Brubeck Quartet (345)
8. Blue Train by John Coltrane (412)
9. The Shape Of Jazz To Come by Ornette Coleman (474)
10. Sketches Of Spain by Miles Davis (530)
11. Head Hunters by Herbie Hancock (542)
12. Giant Steps by John Coltrane (545)
13. Saxophone Colossus by Sonny Rollins (693)
14. The Köln Concert by Keith Jarrett (752)
15. Out To Lunch! by Eric Dolphy (779)
16. My Favorite Things by John Coltrane(801)
17. Brilliant Corners by Thelonious Monk (814)
18. Karma by Pharoah Sanders (858)
19. Art Blakey And The Jazz Messengers by A...Messengers (884)
20. Ascension by John Coltrane (921)

Look I am by no means a jazz-head, in fact I'd say I'm if anything a novice, but I think we can all agree that although there's a couple of great records here our lack of jazz representation is embarrassing. There's barely 20 in the top thousand albums (and some people might even debate the question of whether Head Hunters is strictly jazz), of whom are by a depressingly concentrated 12 artists. Looking through the top 1,000 it really hit me just how rock centralised this website is and it made me a little sad. Please tell me I am not the only one who thinks this is in big need of a change ...
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Hayden




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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 22:09
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Well, you've cut vocal jazz, but yeah.

I'd love to see some more diversity (inject Roach, Peterson, Sun Ra, Shepp, Brotzmann, Bill Evans, Sonny Clark, Morgan, Montgomery, Cherry, Braxton, Ellington, Ayler, Mobley) and about 40-50 in our top 1000. Nina Simone should seriously have at least 3 albums in our top 500. Haven't a clue what's with you people.

Selection's not bad though. Head Hunters keeps aging badly for me, but the rest are all ace.
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baystateoftheart
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This selection is definitely worse than the hip-hop top twenty. I'll ask the same question as I did on that thread. Which three would you remove first and what would you replace them with?
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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 23:22
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baystateoftheart wrote:
This selection is definitely worse than the hip-hop top twenty. I'll ask the same question as I did on that thread. Which three would you remove first and what would you replace them with?


Out:

Bitches Brew (controversial!)
Head Hunters
My Favorite Things

In:

Max Roach - We Insist!
Bill Evans - Waltz For Debby
Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery

Also, having Money Jungle somewhere in our top 1,000 shouldn't be too outlandish. Same with Ellington At Newport and Oscar Peterson's On The Town.

(overlooking any free improv or vocal jazz for the sake of conversation)

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craola
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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 23:22
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Hayden wrote:
Well, you've cut vocal jazz, but yeah.

I'd love to see some more diversity (inject Roach, Peterson, Sun Ra, Shepp, Brotzmann, Bill Evans, Sonny Clark, Morgan, Montgomery, Cherry, Braxton, Ellington, Ayler, Mobley) and about 40-50 in our top 1000. Nina Simone should seriously have at least 3 albums in our top 500. Haven't a clue what's with you people.

Selection's not bad though. Head Hunters keeps aging badly for me, but the rest are all ace.

i'd definitely like to see more diversity in the list as well (esp. nina simone and some newer artists like esperanza spalding). eye-balling this, it looks like more than half of those albums are coltrane/davis/mingus.

as for head hunters, seeing them live gave me a lot more respect for that album.
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Fischman
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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 23:36
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I voted middle of the road. Lots of great stuff there, but lots missing. As Hayden noted, it needs more diversity. I guess it's not unlike a pop/rock list overloaded with Beatles, Radiohead and Dylan.
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Fischman
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baystateoftheart wrote:
This selection is definitely worse than the hip-hop top twenty. I'll ask the same question as I did on that thread. Which three would you remove first and what would you replace them with?


I would drop
Bitches Brew
Sketches of Spain
Giant Steps

Replace with
Smokin' at the Half Not - Wes Montgomery with the Wynton Kelly Trio.
The Sidewinder - Lee Morgan
The Blues and the Abstract Truth - Oliver Nelson
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StreakyNuno



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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 23:46
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I hate jazz..
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baystateoftheart
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  • Posted: 04/05/2019 23:48
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Out:

Mingus Ah Um
Time Out
Brilliant Corners

In:

Journey In Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane
Rythmes Contemporains - Janko Nilovic
Sextant - Herbie Hancock
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Fischman
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  • Posted: 04/06/2019 00:03
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baystateoftheart wrote:
Out:

Mingus Ah Um
Time Out
Brilliant Corners

In:

Journey In Satchidananda - Alice Coltrane
Rythmes Contemporains - Janko Nilovic
Sextant - Herbie Hancock


I like your Coltrane and Hancock adds... with that in mind, it seems I should check out the Nilovic with which I am as yet unfamiliar.
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