seems the old thread got buried and locked who knows how long ago, so anyway
Here is a thread to ask for(and hopefully receive)music recommendations from the community
to keep the thread from getting too cluttered, please only recommend stuff when responding to a request of some sort, this isn't a thread to just drop stuff you generally feel should be listened to (we have other threads for that). This is a thread for "please help me find X", where ideally BEA can indeed help you find X
since of course I have to start it off with an extremely specific dumbass longshot of a request, does anyone know of anything that sounds like someone torturing a bass trombone. this is not a shitpost please give me the overblown trombone low notes _________________ A Variety of Artists
I don’t know what a makes a trombone sound different than a tuba or a trumpet, but by looking through chaotic music and searching “trombone”’ in the credits I can find....
BEA, can you help me find more GAY (avant-garde) jazz? I thought the history books would be full of them, but the only two really FLAMBOYANT examples I can think of are both on my chart:
Rill's recs don't fit your description, but at least the last two are great records
I imagine this is stemming from Weston Olencki's Solo Works; if not, you need listen to that. The trombone is not a bass trombone, but you'll notice that the trombone track ("capacity") still sounds like a trombone while the trumpet and euphonium tracks could successfully mask the identity of the instruments as noise machines. I have not found a recording in which the trombone produces truly acousmatic sound. Olencki is in a group called Rage Thormbones with Matt Barbieri, whose gravlax tracks here are bass trombone (pretty sure) and it's noisy sure, but it also feels like the instrument could be dismantled a lot further. If modern classical/free noise for the bass trombone is going to be made, I have a strong hunch it will come from NYC and probably someone associated with these two; unfortunately, they're all over the place in instrumentation, so it will probably take time if it does happen (you could always reach out about commissioning it). The best avant-garde trombonist I know in all of Europe right now is Matthias Muller, but his tendencies lean more "reductionist" than noise. Fundament's a low-end group that gets noisy (not nearly how Olencki is, but in the sense that it's dense free-sounding playing), and features bass saxophone, bass tuba, and tubax, but not even bass trombone; it's a super-obscure instrument. Beyond Olencki and Barbieri, if someone in the world knew about these kinds of recordings, it would probably be Nate Wooley; you could always float a tweet asking them about this.
Applerill wrote:
can you help me find more GAY (avant-garde) jazz
Contemporary musicians typically don't address sexual orientation in their liners, but they do address whether their work is concerned with queerness. Trumpeter Jacob Wick comes to mind. Percussionist claire rousay explicitly addresses it here, but a lot of her recent work is approaching non-music (which is the queerest music of all, see below). And percussionist Sarah Hennies is the composer that addresses queerness most comprehensively, with pieces like contralto, her psalms (e.g. Psalm III for wood block), her failure pieces like Falsetto, and trash pieces like Fleas; I suggest watching her bit (and the others) from ISSUE's Queer Trash Symposium here; my personal favorite right now is Spectral Malsconcities, the first track of which is probably the jazziest. Wick is probably closer to jazz, rousay to non-music, and Hennies to chamber music; all avant-garde though, all explicitly addressing queerness in their music.
There's always Sun Ra in the '80s. And I'm just now remembering Cecil Taylor was gay and relatively flamboyant, but I don't think this is ever apparent in the music.
This was on the album listening thing we did awhile ago. I looked up the orchestration, and it turns out that not only is trombone present, but it's a "double bass trombone".
There's some low brass sounds near the 4:30 mark. Minute 13:00 as well.
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