Question re: The Powers That B (Death Grips) - Suggestions

hwex9000

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What happened to the individual separate listing for Jenny Death: The Powers That B Disc 2? The listing for Disc 1 is still here.

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Disc 2 could be listed as part of the double album, but not released officially on its own (leaked online)

baystateoftheart
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After it leaked, it was released on its own via YouTube (before the double album) and SoundCloud by the band, which was all official. That's why RYM has three separate entries for both halves and the whole. Discogs doesn't have an entry for Jenny Death because there was no way to purchase or download it separately.

The Powers That B is still designated as a compilation on BEA because both halves were released before it, and immediately above the explanation of that in the edits is the merge... there's no way to undo a merge, right?
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baystateoftheart wrote:

Discogs doesn't have an entry for Jenny Death because there was no way to purchase or download it separately.

This is also the policy on BEA:

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An album is not allowed on BEA if it has never been made available for general release. In the case of digital-only releases, they need to be downloadable & there should be no 'wall' preventing any of the general public from gaining access. Private streamed releases are not acceptable for BEA (e.g. from Spotify) as they can't be legally owned and are not available to the public at large.

Disc 1 is fine on BEA, and also fine is the compilation of both discs (both meet BEA criteria). Disc 2 (on its own) does not.

hwex9000

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Would this rule apply to Frank Ocean's Endless? I don't believe that album has ever "been made available for general release." It's on Apple, but is it downloadable?

(I have a copy saved to my YouTube library, but have already had to search for a replacement version several times because the uploads have a tendency to disappear, for obvious reasons.)

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hwcolum wrote:

Would this rule apply to Frank Ocean's Endless? I don't believe that album has ever "been made available for general release." It's on Apple, but is it downloadable?

(I have a copy saved to my YouTube library, but have already had to search for a replacement version several times because the uploads have a tendency to disappear, for obvious reasons.)

Endless was actually released in physical/buyable format in 2018. I think this is why here on BEA it's indicated as released in 2018 rather than 2016 when it was first available for streaming.
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albummaster wrote:

This is also the policy on BEA:

Quote:

An album is not allowed on BEA if it has never been made available for general release. In the case of digital-only releases, they need to be downloadable & there should be no 'wall' preventing any of the general public from gaining access. Private streamed releases are not acceptable for BEA (e.g. from Spotify) as they can't be legally owned and are not available to the public at large.

Disc 1 is fine on BEA, and also fine is the compilation of both discs (both meet BEA criteria). Disc 2 (on its own) does not.

Interesting. I knew about the prohibition on releases exclusive to users of a specific streaming platform, and it makes sense, but I was not aware of the downloadable/ownable requirement.

I would suggest keeping the rule about exclusive streaming releases, but removing the downloadable/ownable requirement. BEA is foremost a website to appreciate albums, not a collection-cataloguing website like Discogs. If a release is streaming only and can't be owned, it can still be an album. Many albums are released on streaming only, but with no 'wall' preventing general public access. In particular, much of YouTube and SoundCloud can be heard by anyone without an account, and both are platforms where albums are released. I know of dozens of such albums already on BEA that qualify in every other way.
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Yeah I ran into this issue with Smashing Pumpkin's release for Teargarden for Kaleidoscope which they released solely from their website. They've since taken it down, so I can't prove it was released as a download and the internet today doesn't care about how the internet existed 10 years ago.

In the end it was a "special" release and was able to re-add it to the site (because my initial add was removed as a "bootleg").

It's all fine and dandy. It's rare when albums will get swallowed up like this.

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baystateoftheart wrote:

albummaster wrote:

This is also the policy on BEA:

Quote:

An album is not allowed on BEA if it has never been made available for general release. In the case of digital-only releases, they need to be downloadable & there should be no 'wall' preventing any of the general public from gaining access. Private streamed releases are not acceptable for BEA (e.g. from Spotify) as they can't be legally owned and are not available to the public at large.

Disc 1 is fine on BEA, and also fine is the compilation of both discs (both meet BEA criteria). Disc 2 (on its own) does not.

Interesting. I knew about the prohibition on releases exclusive to users of a specific streaming platform, and it makes sense, but I was not aware of the downloadable/ownable requirement.

I would suggest keeping the rule about exclusive streaming releases, but removing the downloadable/ownable requirement. BEA is foremost a website to appreciate albums, not a collection-cataloguing website like Discogs. If a release is streaming only and can't be owned, it can still be an album. Many albums are released on streaming only, but with no 'wall' preventing general public access. In particular, much of YouTube and SoundCloud can be heard by anyone without an account, and both are platforms where albums are released. I know of dozens of such albums already on BEA that qualify in every other way.

I could sit down with my phone today and record 5 songs in single crappy takes and put it up on youtube. You are saying that should qualify as an album. I hope that absolutely never happens.
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baystateoftheart
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Romanelli wrote:

baystateoftheart wrote:

albummaster wrote:

This is also the policy on BEA:

Quote:

An album is not allowed on BEA if it has never been made available for general release. In the case of digital-only releases, they need to be downloadable & there should be no 'wall' preventing any of the general public from gaining access. Private streamed releases are not acceptable for BEA (e.g. from Spotify) as they can't be legally owned and are not available to the public at large.

Disc 1 is fine on BEA, and also fine is the compilation of both discs (both meet BEA criteria). Disc 2 (on its own) does not.

Interesting. I knew about the prohibition on releases exclusive to users of a specific streaming platform, and it makes sense, but I was not aware of the downloadable/ownable requirement.

I would suggest keeping the rule about exclusive streaming releases, but removing the downloadable/ownable requirement. BEA is foremost a website to appreciate albums, not a collection-cataloguing website like Discogs. If a release is streaming only and can't be owned, it can still be an album. Many albums are released on streaming only, but with no 'wall' preventing general public access. In particular, much of YouTube and SoundCloud can be heard by anyone without an account, and both are platforms where albums are released. I know of dozens of such albums already on BEA that qualify in every other way.

I could sit down with my phone today and record 5 songs in single crappy takes and put it up on youtube. You are saying that should qualify as an album. I hope that absolutely never happens.

You could also record 5 songs in single crappy takes and upload it to your artist website as a ZIP for download, and that's already allowed. Or burn those 5 crappy songs to a few CDs and release it as "limited edition", also already allowed.

If an official artist page releases an official album on YouTube or SoundCloud, why shouldn't that count as an album on BEA?
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