I see Discogs somehow claims it to be released on 1979, although the year 1978 is printed on the vinyl, which could perhaps confirm it was released the same year.
That's a similar situation. Eno did an interview with Andy Warhol's Interview Magazine that ran in the June 1978 issue, and which was reprinted in 2016 here, where he says...
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Thereโs a new series Iโve done of music designed for airports. Itโs called Music for Airports, in fact. Iโm going to release it on my own label.
It didn't happen that way - there was only one album, not a series, and it came out on EG and Polydor, not Obscure Records (Eno's label). So if we're to believe the release date was September 1978 (as has appeared in a few articles published years later), that means he reworked the whole project and got it out on EG & Polydor in about three months, which would have been an unusually fast turnaround to say the least. That, combined with the fact that every single known review of the album is dated no earlier than April 1979, is why a number of people are more willing to believe that Eno just had the artwork done for a possible release by Obscure Records in 1978, but then landed a deal with EG and Polydor, who didn't bother to change the dates on that artwork when New Year's 1979 came and went and they still hadn't released it. (Probably because they didn't want people to confuse it with Music for Films, which actually did come out in 1978, though promos exist that are dated 1976.)
Long story short, this is another one where we should use the date that corresponds to the most BEA year charts that have included it (1979).
Year changed from 2019 to 2018 (Discogs)
Two year charts have been affected.
Changed back to 2019 per new guidelines (please read them before making changes).
I saw in the modding history of the album on RYM the proof of February 2nd 2019 as the earliest confirmed full release date is a link to the Bandcamp release of the album which has the exact same date, so this is indeed the earliest confirmed full release date.
But if we count Apple Music, which seems to be approved to be an official release according to admin album help page, since if a release is on Apple Music, it means you can buy/download it from the iTunes store, which means the earliest confirmed date is December 7th 2018, unless I missed something.
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I see Discogs somehow claims it to be released on 1979, although the year 1978 is printed on the vinyl, which could perhaps confirm it was released the same year.
Allmusic says it was released on March 1978
RYM
MusicBrainz shows the earliest releases were in 1978
RYM says March 1979, but everyone on the album's modding history say it was on 1978.
Feels to me most sources say it was on 1978 when you search for the album on any search engine.
Is the case perhaps somewhat similar to the Songs of Leonard Cohen album?
The change has already been correctly identified as correct at 1979. _________________ I'm leaning on the threshold
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I see Discogs somehow claims it to be released on 1979, although the year 1978 is printed on the vinyl, which could perhaps confirm it was released the same year.
That's a similar situation. Eno did an interview with Andy Warhol's Interview Magazine that ran in the June 1978 issue, and which was reprinted in 2016 here, where he says...
Quote:
Thereโs a new series Iโve done of music designed for airports. Itโs called Music for Airports, in fact. Iโm going to release it on my own label.
Quote:
It didn't happen that way - there was only one album, not a series, and it came out on EG and Polydor, not Obscure Records (Eno's label). So if we're to believe the release date was September 1978 (as has appeared in a few articles published years later), that means he reworked the whole project and got it out on EG & Polydor in about three months, which would have been an unusually fast turnaround to say the least. That, combined with the fact that every single known review of the album is dated no earlier than April 1979, is why a number of people are more willing to believe that Eno just had the artwork done for a possible release by Obscure Records in 1978, but then landed a deal with EG and Polydor, who didn't bother to change the dates on that artwork when New Year's 1979 came and went and they still hadn't released it. (Probably because they didn't want people to confuse it with Music for Films, which actually did come out in 1978, though promos exist that are dated 1976.)
Long story short, this is another one where we should use the date that corresponds to the most BEA year charts that have included it (1979).
It's been correctly identified as 1979 using new guidelines. And a lesson that should have been learned from jazz albums long ago is that dates printed on album covers are mostly useless.
As for most BEA charts...Lord no. Most people aren't putting albums on year charts based on research they have done. They add an album to a specific year chart simply because BEA tells them it's correct. That includes me. I have nearly 2500 albums on year charts, and never once have I stopped to double check that the year is correct before doing so. And I doubt that many people have done that. That should be the last criteria for determining release dates. The date that corresponds to the BEA chart it's on is going to simply be based on what BEA showed the release date to be at the time they added it. You can't add an album released in 1979 to your 1978 chart. You can't add it to your 1979 chart if the date is shown as 1978. You have to use the release date shown on the album.
Lastly...this is so exhausting. Yes, release dates are important. No, release dates are not the end of the world, and do not warrant people using all of their time arguing something that has a solution already. AM has put forth a usable and more than reasonable solution, and yet this continues to drag on. It would be really great to move on from this.
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As for most BEA charts...Lord no. Most people aren't putting albums on year charts based on research they have done. They add an album to a specific year chart simply because BEA tells them it's correct. That includes me. I have nearly 2500 albums on year charts, and never once have I stopped to double check that the year is correct before doing so. And I doubt that many people have done that. That should be the last criteria for determining release dates...
I'm not suggesting that it be the criteria, I'm suggesting that it be the fallback in cases where there is no definitive date and no general agreement among sources. Two different things. (And of course I agree about cover art being unreliable, but in all fairness, it became significantly more reliable once the desktop-publishing era started in the mid- to late-80s, and it became much easier to make simple textual corrections.)
Anyway, another way of expressing it would be "when everyone is in doubt, just leave it alone." Still another way might be, "don't add to people's to-do lists unless you really, really know."
That discloses it for me, since Discogs say Tony MacAlpine's album Edge of Insanity was released in 1985 and their only proof seems to be from the year printed on the vinyl, however, Allmusic says it was released on 1986 and in the modding history of the album on RYM they have settled for 1986. So 1986 is the official year according to the new guidelines.
No. Discogs and RYM both show 1985 release dates.
"Seems to be" = creating argument and discrepancy for the sake of doing so. This is a release date that is agreed on by 2 of the 3 sites. _________________ I'm leaning on the threshold
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I'm not suggesting that it be the criteria, I'm suggesting that it be the fallback in cases where there is no definitive date and no general agreement among sources. Two different things. (And of course I agree about cover art being unreliable, but in all fairness, it became significantly more reliable once the desktop-publishing era started in the mid- to late-80s, and it became much easier to make simple textual corrections.)
Anyway, another way of expressing it would be "when everyone is in doubt, just leave it alone." Still another way might be, "don't add to people's to-do lists unless you really, really know."
It CAN'T be the fallback because which year chart you put an album onto is not a choice. You HAVE to add it to the year that is currently selected as year of release. BEA does not allow you to do otherwise.
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"don't add to people's to-do lists unless you really, really know."
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