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videoheadcleaner
formerly Harkan
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- #11
- Posted: 03/15/2012 06:47
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | Yup and it includes all the tags used by harkan:
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Really? House is rock music?
Not this House
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RFNAPLES
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videoheadcleaner
formerly Harkan
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- #13
- Posted: 03/16/2012 06:19
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | Yes House is a type of Rock. See also Allmusic which considers it a type of Rock/Pop. |
Yes but you don't have to think it is part of that, just because a website told you so.
Anyway, House as a subgenre is actually under Electronic on Allmusic as well.
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RFNAPLES
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- #14
- Posted: 03/16/2012 07:01
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There are thousands of tags one can create and the terms will change their meaning and usefulness over time. What I did was break my collection into large groups. I really don't care if it is metal or house, it’s Rock and not classical or country. This type of high-level initial filtering used by BEA will allow members to find all Rock or all Jazz etc. The problem with all the sub-genres is that they aren't clear now and will be less so tomorrow. People will bitch, just like you did over Allmusic’s system (which I didn’t consult to establish my tags) or any other scheme. Keep it simple.
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videoheadcleaner
formerly Harkan
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- #15
- Posted: 03/16/2012 09:12
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | The problem with all the sub-genres is that they aren't clear now and will be less so tomorrow. People will bitch, just like you did over Allmusic’s system (which I didn’t consult to establish my tags) or any other scheme. |
Sorry if it seemed like bitching. Just find it weird.
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Facetious
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- #16
- Posted: 03/16/2012 10:14
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| Hayden wrote: | | RFNAPLES wrote: |
Rock includes rap, hip-hop |
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I agree with Hayden here. Hip-hop should be included as a separate genre.
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albummaster
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- #17
- Posted: 03/16/2012 10:20
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these are the types of debate which make me think tags will work much better than genres. People can then assign things how they like, and the most popular tags will rise to the surface. Genres don't fit correctly in a lot of cases (especially on albums where there might be more than one style), and tags are far more descriptive and flexible.
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Facetious
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- #18
- Posted: 03/16/2012 10:27
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| albummaster wrote: | | these are the types of debate which make me think tags will work much better than genres. People can then assign things how they like, and the most popular tags will rise to the surface. Genres don't fit correctly in a lot of cases (especially on albums where there might be more than one style), and tags are far more descriptive and flexible. |
 Ya got a point there.
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- #19
- Posted: 03/18/2012 00:23
- Post subject: Re: Tagging (or genre tags)
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| albummaster wrote: | | an_outlaw wrote: | | If anything like them are put into the website, how will they work? Like genre tags or "tagging" albums. Who gets to decide what is what? Will it be a few or would it be every user? |
I think it's going to be tagging instead of genres. The implementation details, I've not thought through in enough detail yet. I've got some thoughts but they're not clear enough. Once I've finished delivering the membership ladder, my thoughts will turn to how to do this, and the details will get decided.
| an_outlaw wrote: | | I do have some concerns for such a thing. Firstly, it reduces music into simple words which do not express all of which the album is about. Will words like "inspiring", "magical", "transcending", "poetry" be allowed? They would go a lot further describing a piece of music than "jazz", "rock", "indie", alternative". |
I think this is the main reason why genres won't really work on a site like this, it won't be flexible enough and probably too many items would get tagged with the same things. I think a tag should be seen more as a descriptive label for something (although a tag could also be the name of a genre as well).
| an_outlaw wrote: | | ...They wouldn't have listened to half the albums but will instead base their "genre tags" on their preconceived notions of the music. Quicker than we know it... they will be the highest tags. |
This is an implementation detail. When it's time to add the feature, we'll discuss amongst us how this should work.
| an_outlaw wrote: | In fact... people shouldn't be using genres at all. It leads to bad things. People describing music with diluted words and hindering what others listen to. I see little good with labeling genres. 
Is there anything someone would like to say in defense for them? |
yes, in their defence, I'd say genres/tags will make this site a lot more useful to a lot of people e.g. if you are wanting to find the best albums tagged 'acoustic' or whatever, you just filter a list of items having this tag. I've lost count of the number of times this has been asked for, so is definitely wanted/needed. |
Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions  I had been meaning to write this sooner than I did. I'm happy to see that flexibility will be involved with what tags are chosen
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