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Romanelli
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Location: Broomfield, Colorado 
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- #21
- Posted: 07/14/2014 19:11
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| benpaco wrote: | 
Also, how do we count things that are sort of less than 20 minutes but not really? The new Kitty is 18 minutes long, but on some versions features another 2 songs, making it well over the 20 minutes. The Paper Sons album on my chart is just under 20 minutes on its own, but there's a hidden track that puts it over. It's always been a tough line, I remember having seen this come up before, and I think it's important to have either clarification or a dialogue at the least about it all. |
I could be wrong about 25 minutes...I'll double check.
I see the Paper Sons album has five tracks, which makes it okay. The Kitty EP, is at 4 tracks and 18 minutes...if that is the original version of the EP, then it would not meet the criteria. If the original release is 5 tracks and 21 minutes, then it's okay. Just like with full albums...bonus tracks should not be included. The original version is the one that counts.
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videoheadcleaner
formerly Harkan
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Age: 40
- #22
- Posted: 07/14/2014 23:06
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I have had issues with the EP ruling over time and decided to just play by the rules from AM.
Several EPs I have added have not met the criteria but I regard them as highly as some albums (The Cure's Lost Wishes, JG Thirlwell's Hydroze Plus and The Desert Sessions' Vol II: Status: Ships Commander Butchered). Recently another Thirlwell release I added (Stinkfist) was flagged for being short of 20 minutes and only 3 tracks. However the versions of the EP have changed in time and track number over the years. I eventually found the original release which clocked over 20 minutes (just).
This is just my own account of the rule. It is frustrating at times but this standard is used for Billboard charts as well as other national album charts around the world. We are not BEE or BEM (music); it's BEA.
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albummaster
Janitor
Gender: Male
Location: Spain
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- #23
- Posted: 07/15/2014 11:43
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| Goodsir wrote: | | Okay, I have a bit of a problem. I've been listening to all of My Bloody Valentine's EPs from 1988-1991 and rating them individually. It has come to my attention that the EP Tremolo is flagged for deletion for being less than 20 minutes long. I noticed that other EPs are allowed to be added to the site without being flagged, but the ones less than 20 minutes are flagged. I don't really see why this is, and would like to know. Thanks. |
Apologies for not getting back sooner, I've been away from the site for a couple of days. Albums on BEA need to be at least 20 minutes long OR contain at least five tracks (using the original release as the guide). Anything else does not qualify as an album for the purposes of BEA.
| Romanelli wrote: | | Man, this is a topic that has been repeatedly beaten to death here. BEA is not here to be the storage facility for everything ever released, it's a place to make charts and have your say as to what's the best ever ALBUMS (BEA). 4 songs and 20 minutes was the line that AM drew as what I believe was a compromise to this argument before...now we want the line moved again? Nobody is saying that an EP with 4 songs at 15 minutes doesn't have value. But I think at less than 4 & 20, you're moving from is it an album to is it a single? If we move the line from 4 & 20, what's next? Do we then have to start adding singles and individual tracks and video only releases and films and TV shows and give them a special designation because they have value? Isn't that a function that places like RYM already take care of? You can get great recommendations for EP's from other members (or other sites) without having to have them on your charts, and without having to move the line as to what constitutes an album on BEA. |
I agree with Romanelli, The whole purpose of BEA is that it is an album site, and this is why most of us are here. It is also the entire reason that the site was started in the first place, and it is a point of difference from other sites (and will remain so).
The criteria here are slightly more lenient than the official definition of an album (25 minutes) to allow a bit of flexibility for items on the borderline to appear.
The criteria have to be set somewhere (& they were openly discussed in consultation with some other members on these forums a few years back). If the rules were relaxed any more, BEA would cease to become an album site and get lost amongst the multitude of other sites that do not specialise in anything in particular & the people that signed up for an album site, would no longer have one.
I do understand some people's frustration but all releases are judged by the same criteria to ensure equal treatment for everybody & the rules are about as clear as they can be (or so I thought).
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