(Closed) 2015-2019 Round 1: Papa John vs Aldous Harding
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| Poll: Which song is better? |
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| Father John Misty - Pure Comedy |
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58% |
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| Aldous Harding - What if the bird aren't singing they're screaming |
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41% |
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| Total Votes : 17 |
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash
Age: 31
Location: Massachusetts 
- #11
- Posted: 09/30/2020 00:29
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We live in a society... wake up sheeple!
Insufferable lyrics like this are why I didn't bother with Pure Comedy the album. Aldous Harding easily.
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash
Age: 31
Location: Massachusetts
- #12
- Posted: 09/30/2020 00:36
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| RoundTheBend wrote: | Yeah I can see that on those - they definitely are more immediate.
Something about the anthropological aspect of Pure Comedy (album and title track) I Really dig... more so than anything else he's done. Dunno why I feel completely different than everyone else - I actually do think his ramblings are clever philosophical shticks. Probably because I'm a pasty wonky cracker. |
The thing is though, no good anthropologist would say most of this stuff. I think what you're referring to is the bird's-eye view of humanity that he's trying to approximate, which is something shared with anthropologists.
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babyBlueSedan
Used to be sort of blind, now can sort of see
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- #13
- Posted: 09/30/2020 03:05
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What if What if the birds aren't singing they're screaming is screaming because it's out of the tourney
Father John Misty wins 10-7
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control
- #14
- Posted: 09/30/2020 05:22
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| baystateoftheart wrote: | | RoundTheBend wrote: | Yeah I can see that on those - they definitely are more immediate.
Something about the anthropological aspect of Pure Comedy (album and title track) I Really dig... more so than anything else he's done. Dunno why I feel completely different than everyone else - I actually do think his ramblings are clever philosophical shticks. Probably because I'm a pasty wonky cracker. |
The thing is though, no good anthropologist would say most of this stuff. I think what you're referring to is the bird's-eye view of humanity that he's trying to approximate, which is something shared with anthropologists. |
Yeah I mean who talks about why men go out to "hunt" in their music/the feminist struggle of taking care of children? I can't really think of anyone who is more obviously anthropological than this song. Or why tribal women wear their children and western society doesn't (as he talks about us being born too soon). Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but I remember it hitting me pretty strong the first time I listened to the song. I actually could take or leave FJM before I heard this song.
And yes, it's a pop song, so of course it's not a peer reviewed paper on anthropological terms/I'm not calling him a professor of Anthropology/the spokesperson of the greatest anthropological discourse, rather it was distinctly so... and more so than most due to all the aspects of what's discussed. Not just religion or family dynamics or politics or whatever - but the whole picture.
But yes, anthropologists discuss a lot of these concepts in further detail and no they often don't have quick poetic synopsis of their findings on those topics.
I feel like a professor of anthropology I studied with talked about male and female roles in different cultures. That hunting for protein was key to... blah blah blah... anyway, maybe I'm lost on the point you are making? Or only garbage anthropologists talk about those types of things?
I'm really at a loss of how these are garbage lyrics. Easy targets; cheap shots is kinda what I'm hearing. Do you have another musician who is amazing at this type of portrayal of humanity which makes FJM clearly the idiot I feel people are making him out to be now?
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control
- #15
- Posted: 09/30/2020 05:23
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What if the bird aren't singing they're screaming was possibly my favorite find of the tourney, so at least there's that 😄
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash
Age: 31
Location: Massachusetts
- #16
- Posted: 10/02/2020 01:09
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| RoundTheBend wrote: | | baystateoftheart wrote: | | RoundTheBend wrote: | Yeah I can see that on those - they definitely are more immediate.
Something about the anthropological aspect of Pure Comedy (album and title track) I Really dig... more so than anything else he's done. Dunno why I feel completely different than everyone else - I actually do think his ramblings are clever philosophical shticks. Probably because I'm a pasty wonky cracker. |
The thing is though, no good anthropologist would say most of this stuff. I think what you're referring to is the bird's-eye view of humanity that he's trying to approximate, which is something shared with anthropologists. |
Yeah I mean who talks about why men go out to "hunt" in their music/the feminist struggle of taking care of children? I can't really think of anyone who is more obviously anthropological than this song. Or why tribal women wear their children and western society doesn't (as he talks about us being born too soon). Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but I remember it hitting me pretty strong the first time I listened to the song. I actually could take or leave FJM before I heard this song.
And yes, it's a pop song, so of course it's not a peer reviewed paper on anthropological terms/I'm not calling him a professor of Anthropology/the spokesperson of the greatest anthropological discourse, rather it was distinctly so... and more so than most due to all the aspects of what's discussed. Not just religion or family dynamics or politics or whatever - but the whole picture.
But yes, anthropologists discuss a lot of these concepts in further detail and no they often don't have quick poetic synopsis of their findings on those topics.
I feel like a professor of anthropology I studied with talked about male and female roles in different cultures. That hunting for protein was key to... blah blah blah... anyway, maybe I'm lost on the point you are making? Or only garbage anthropologists talk about those types of things?
I'm really at a loss of how these are garbage lyrics. Easy targets; cheap shots is kinda what I'm hearing. Do you have another musician who is amazing at this type of portrayal of humanity which makes FJM clearly the idiot I feel people are making him out to be now? |
My point is that a good anthropologist would not ridicule a given society's religious beliefs/garments/texts, social/cultural mores, or political structures. A good anthropologist would try to understand these aspects of the culture being studied by setting aside their own ethnocentrism, instead of condemning them with an air of superiority as FJM does.
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
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- #17
- Posted: 10/02/2020 02:00
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oh ok, that makes perfect sense. And agreed. Respect that entirely.
Perhaps it does remind me a little of Candide. Quite bitter slam on Leibniz.
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