@Led: I get that feeling with Cynic. Curious if that effect gets better on there other two albums?
Honestly haven't heard anything except for Focus. None of their other work is really lauded in the metal community, as far as I know.
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I can think of punk-influenced albums or albums with the punk attitude (but without the punk sound) that I hold in very high esteem. But when it comes to pure punk, sadly there's none. Ok, when I first discovered Never Mind The Bollocks... , it was a revelation and I was semi-obsessed with it for quite some time, but once I got over it I never looked back. On the other hand, it was a genre that was a product of its era and wasn't supposed to age well, the once perceived as socially critical vocals and lyrics quickly became whiny and irritating, the repeated use of the same simple structures with fast tempos and loud riffs that was viewed as a reaction to mainstream music is now ascribed to lack of musicianship etc. It perfectly captured the 70's Zeitgeist, let's keep it there. Of course this has nothing to do with the huge legacy it has left behind, so many artists have been inspired by it and it's impossible to think of today's music without it.
While I can definitely see where you're coming from, it's not really true that their all the lyrics are considered whiny today or that all of the 70s punk sounds dated and simplistic. It did capture the zeitgeist, but I don't have a feeling the punk subculture has fallen off the cliff at all. If anything, there are still semi-regular revivals of certain punk subgenres 45 years after. And that's not even mentioning 80s punk. IDK I'm not the biggest punk fan, but I don't quite agree with your assessment (except that certain bands do sound dated). Agree to disagree though.
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Bright Red by Laurie Anderson
As always, I'll first talk about other Laurie Anderson albums I've heard. This time it's only one, Big Science. I've been struggling with that one for years, but it always sounded more interesting than actually good to me. That was until yesterday when my eyes (ears) were opened. Now I see that it's actually a masterpiece of minimalistic art pop. And I'm not irritated by her ramblings anymore! With that, I had certain expectations going into the Bright Red session today. And most of them were met. Even though it's not as forward thinking or experimental, it's just a wonderful collection of art/ambient pop tunes in her signature spoken word and experimental style. I can see why it's my dad's favourite, he would go for the darker edge of Bright Red over the quirkiness of Big Science. 8/10
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Plexure is short. I don't like it much, but it's an interesting listen for sure.
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Midori - Aratamemashite, hajimemashite, Midori desu.
Charlie Morrow - America Lament
Meridian Brothers - Desesperanza
Still Corners - The Last Exit
Fairport Convention - Liege & Lief
Gatecreeper - An Unexpected Reality
Henry Flynt - You Are My Everloving / Celestial Power
Hiroshi Yoshimura - Music For Nine Post Cards
The Coasters - The Coasters
Beat Happening - You Turn Me On _________________ Overall chart Fake overall chart
While I can definitely see where you're coming from, it's not really true that their all the lyrics are considered whiny today or that all of the 70s punk sounds dated and simplistic. It did capture the zeitgeist, but I don't have a feeling the punk subculture has fallen off the cliff at all. If anything, there are still semi-regular revivals of certain punk subgenres 45 years after. And that's not even mentioning 80s punk. IDK I'm not the biggest punk fan, but I don't quite agree with your assessment (except that certain bands do sound dated). Agree to disagree though.
I tend to associate the lyrics so closely with the nasal and shouty vocals which dominated the first wave of punk rock that I really struggle to take them seriously, but yeah, every such generalisation is bound to appear dumb once you bring up a couple of exceptions - and I'm sure there are, even though I can't say I've been actively looking for them, feel free to point them out.
Regarding the impact/legacy of punk (both in terms of sound and even more in terms of attitude) we' re on the same page, I mentioned it too in the last sentence of my previous post.
What bothered me with Shame - Drunk Tank Pink (since this was the trigger for this discussion) is that despite being a highly diverse album that covers a lot of ground between punk, post-punk, dance, new wave etc., it was the aforementioned 70's punk elements of the album seemed to overshadow the rest and as a result spoiled it for me.
To each his own, I guess.
I tend to associate the lyrics so closely with the nasal and shouty vocals which dominated the first wave of punk rock that I really struggle to take them seriously, but yeah, every such generalisation is bound to appear dumb once you bring up a couple of exceptions - and I'm sure there are, even though I can't say I've been actively looking for them, feel free to point them out.
Regarding the impact/legacy of punk (both in terms of sound and even more in terms of attitude) we' re on the same page, I mentioned it too in the last sentence of my previous post.
What bothered me with Shame - Drunk Tank Pink (since this was the trigger for this discussion) is that despite being a highly diverse album that covers a lot of ground between punk, post-punk, dance, new wave etc., it was the aforementioned 70's punk elements of the album seemed to overshadow the rest and as a result spoiled it for me.
To each his own, I guess.
Yeah, that makes sense. Lots of noisy post punk and 70s punk influences in Shame's music. There's actually a lot of bands with non-shouted vocals and pretty damn good lyrics from that time, from The Clash (London Calling era and later) and Television to Magazine etc. Those are the most popular ones that I remembered off the top of my head. No pressure to check them out, but they're all fantastic bands. _________________ Overall chart Fake overall chart
Plexure by John Oswald
Just a couple samples. hehe. Yeah interesting listen for sure. I know people who scrobble 3 albums at the same time on last.fm because it's a "trip". I guess this reminds me a little of that. Sometimes the flow is better than that and sometimes not. I guess what I love most about it is a little like the Beatles Love project, you get these glimpses into signature clips tied together, although a little more chaotically here. There was a sample of U2 - so I guess I'm happy... hehe. just kidding. Also a couple samples I hadn't heard in a long time, so nice quick visit to them.
2. Fairport Convention - Liege & Lief was ok, LedZep
3. Luigii Top 100 (5 Picks Left)
6. Chiastic Slide by Autechre
7. The Velocity Of Love by Suzanne Ciani
8. Celestial Vibration by Edward Larry Gordon
10. Breezin' by George Benson
14. Older by George Michael
15. The Ascension by Sufjan Stevens
19. ๆจๆดฉ้ฝ้ใใซใฆ [At Komorebi St.] by Lamp
20. Amplified Heart by Everything But The Girl
21. Rakka by Vladislav Delay
22. Virgins by Tim Hecker
After a little break, I'm back to tell that this Paul McCartney album is great. Not an absolute favorite for me. I'd argue the first half while musically is really good and vocally Paul is doing good, it oddly doesn't mesh as well as I wanted it to be. But the second half oddly got better. Especially with Peace In The Neighborhood and Golden Earth Girl. That former track might be the standout for me. Otherwise a great album but an absolute best for 1993. Grade:80
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Bend, already half way. There are some I will pick a little later like Older or The Ascension. But you are listening to Rakka.
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BEA's Top 110 of 1993
(95) Elements Of Crime-Weibes Papier
(102) Candlebox-Selftitled
(103) The Wildhearts-Earth Vs. The Wildhearts
BEA's Top 100 of 1977
(2) Pink Floyd-Animals
(3) Television-Marquee Moon
(5) Sex Pistols-Never Mind The Bollocks
(6) Steely Dan-Aja (R)
(7) The Clash-Self Titled
8 David Bowie-Heroes (R)
(9) Billy Joel-The Stranger (R)
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Before I start on this album, it's a bit late but I will just answer a question from RTB a week ago. I do like INXS, but in a typically hipsterish comment that I will usually mock but applies in this case "I was listening to their albums before they became famous and successful and stopped listening when they did" ๐คฃ not by design though...it just worked out that way. Would have been happy to listen to X if it was chosen, and I would have loved to listen to Mixed Up again. An album I heard a couple of times when it first came out and I am curious to see what I think of it now over 30 years later. The version of Fasciation Street always stuck with me though and is one of my favourite The Cure songs. But I am willing to listen to some classical music so here we go.
I know stuff all about classical music so I fear I will sound like an idiot that doesn't know what he is talking about if I discuss this. Suffice it to say I did listen to the whole thing, and while I didn't dislike it, listening to 30 classical baroque pieces all played on the same instrument in one sitting meant the lack of diversity made it a bit of a task. However the harpsichord is one of my oldest son's favourite instruments (he says it's both menacing and exquisite at the same time) so he got something out of this while listening along. I will give it my default score for when I don't dislike an album but it doesn't do much for me personally/not my genre to be able to know if it is good or bad of 6.5/10, and place it at 61/66 in my 1990 chart.
Luigii I'm still looking forward to giving you a 1977 album but I will be patient and help get rid of the 93 albums first. The Wildhearts sounds like it might be up my alley.
Finishing with 1990 now and jumping forward another 10 years it's time to explore 2000 further. There's a few here I'm surprised myself I haven't heard yet, and one that I know I have but is due for a relisten for a rating.
BEA Best Albums of 2000 (5 picks left)
11. Rated R by Queens Of The Stone Age
12. Voodoo by D'Angelo
13. Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park
14. Figure 8 by Elliott Smith
15. All That You Can't Leave Behind by U2
16. De Stijl by The White Stripes
17. The Sophtware Slump by Grandaddy
18. Dopethrone by Electric Wizard
19. Heartbreaker by Ryan Adams
20. Deltron 3030 by Deltron 3030
Liege & Lief by Fairport Convention
I think I saw this one on Repo's chart (and on a lot of other charts, but specifically there) and decided to give it a try. It's been in the middle of my queue for about a century. And it's good that I've kept it there, because it's a lovely folk experience. Matty Groves was a highlight, but the whole thing was excellent. It makes you feel you're simultaneously in the 15th century and 1969. This is gonna be in a heavy rotation, it's just the right mix of uplifting, fun and melancholic. 8.5/10
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Some great picks there, but go with Deltron 3030. It's probably the best Del project.
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Midori - Aratamemashite, hajimemashite, Midori desu.
Charlie Morrow - America Lament
Meridian Brothers - Desesperanza
Still Corners - The Last Exit
Gatecreeper - An Unexpected Reality
Henry Flynt - You Are My Everloving / Celestial Power
Hiroshi Yoshimura - Music For Nine Post Cards
The Coasters - The Coasters
Beat Happening - You Turn Me On
Wanderwelle - A State of Decrepitude _________________ Overall chart Fake overall chart
Damn. This is a great live album. I knew Aretha Franklin was an excellent live performer based on the gospel tour de force that is Amazing Grace, but this is my first taste of the Queen of Soul singing the music she's best known for live. If you're a fan of the genre in any capacity, this is a record for you. It starts with a tremendous, fiery performance of Respect, then moves into less up-tempo territory, including a standout performance of Bridge Over Troubled Water. Then for the climax, Franklin (with Ray Charles for the reprise) brings the house down with two renditions of Spirit In The Dark. All told, a little more than half of this is strong but not amazing, and a little less than half of it is spectacular. Starting it at a high 4/5.
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2. Beat Happening's music was in general an acquired taste for me, but this one was the most immediate. A great record and their best.
7. The Confessions Tour - Madonna
12. Bad Girls - Donna Summer
15. ใใฉใใใใฏ ใใฉใใใ (Platonic Planet) - KOTO
18. Once Upon A Time - Donna Summer
20. Tommy Airline - Tommy February6
21. Control - Janet Jackson
23. We Are Family - Sister Sledge
25. Madonna - Madonna
27. Rita Lee - Rita Lee
33. Janet. - Janet Jackson _________________ Join us in the canon game :) / Add me on RYM
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Rakka by Vladislav Delay
Pretty cool to find out this is the same dude as Luomo. I liked Luomo more. I wonder if I would've liked this with vocals more. dunno. Even so, while intriguing, it didn't tickle me as interested as Luomo did.
2. Hate to give you two live albums back to back, but that might be an interesting juxtaposition (also so highly ranked): The Confessions Tour - Madonna
3. Luigii Top 100 (4 Picks Left)
14. Older by George Michael
15. The Ascension by Sufjan Stevens
19. ๆจๆดฉ้ฝ้ใใซใฆ [At Komorebi St.] by Lamp
20. Amplified Heart by Everything But The Girl
22. Virgins by Tim Hecker
23. Returnal by Oneohtrix Point Never
24. Heaven And Earth by Kamasi Washington
25. Bridges by Gil Scott-Heron & Brian Jackson
27. The Epic by Kamasi Washington
28. 98.12.28 ็ท้ใฎๅฅใ (98.12.28 Otokotachi no Wakare) by ใใฃใใทใฅใใณใบ [Fishmans]
(I'm cheating a bit by taking 4 off the top and adding 4 at the bottom because I really want to listen to the 4 at the bottom... hehe... but am cool with whatever is chosen (I can listen to those 4 outside of this game).
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Also my favorite part of this game when we do each other's lists is surprised by everyone's experience with music/deep dives, but then lack of experience in certain areas, myself included of course (especially). It's fun to see our blind spots through each other.
It's often a - oh man I've been wanting to listen to that for forever and just never did for whatever reason... ๐คฃ
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