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Kiki

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement. So any scene that will become so conscious of what they "listen" to will only run into problems in the long run. I mean... where would the enjoyment be? You are always comparing yourself to others and appearing like you are unrestrained and free when you become anything but.

Another problem is this leads into a cold demeanor. You have to appear intelligent to avoid scorn. You can't lose yourself when these people you admire come on. You're expected to stand watching and pretend to be "understanding" something.

Whole thing goes against what I believe.

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an_outlaw wrote:

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement.

I was about to post something like that.

Mr. Shankly

Gender: Male

Age: 53

Location: Auburn, Washington

sethmadsen wrote:

From the Siamese Dream remastered edition notes linear notes:

"We started the album out with 'Cherub Rock' which is basically my big F.U. to the indie world. If you read the lyrics, that was basically me railing against the hipper-than-thou NYC mentality."

I liked this statement because it was the first time I have seen someone else talk about how ridiculous the "indie" scene can be.

What do you think? Does the indie scene tend to become so caught up in being indie, instead of appreciating music. Does it create an almost anti-music/true indie scene because they have swung so far away from the corporate music scene that they have almost become the corporate music scene in the sense that it creates stale music that, instead of trying to hard to sell like corporate rock, tries to hard to be "indie" and therefore equally loses value in music/culture.

And, if you are a listener of indie music, and indie music only- what do you think? Please identify yourselves so I can mock you (jk, I respect you and like a lot of indie music myself, but as you can see from my lists I am nowhere near a strict indie listener).

Really? This is the first time, you've heard or read someone critiquing the indie creed? If that's the case, you need to read and/ or get out of the house more. Shit! I wrote an editorial for my college newspaper about this very issue back in the mid 90's. Check it out if you want:

http://dailyuw.com/news/1998/may/07/indie-cred-music-fans-or-label-fans/

I love the irony, because what he's attacking is pretentious, overly self-conscious people, and talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are few people in rock as pretentious, self conscious, and full of themselves as Billy Corgan. You look up "douche" in the urban dictionary and there's probably a picture of Billy Corgan in there somewhere.

purple

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

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Bone Swah

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Location: Broomfield, Colorado

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Billy Corgan trashing the people who made him a world famous gazillionaire kind of reeks of hypocritic douchebaggery.

Mr. Shankly

Gender: Male

Age: 53

Location: Auburn, Washington

purple wrote:

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

Thank you for illustrating the point. 😁

BlueNote

purple wrote:

R.E.M. are pretty uncool

True.

RoundTheBend

I miss the comfort in being sad

Location: Ground Control

an_outlaw wrote:

All I have to say is that music is better to listen to than to wear as a fashion statement. So any scene that will become so conscious of what they "listen" to will only run into problems in the long run. I mean... where would the enjoyment be? You are always comparing yourself to others and appearing like you are unrestrained and free when you become anything but.

Another problem is this leads into a cold demeanor. You have to appear intelligent to avoid scorn. You can't lose yourself when these people you admire come on. You're expected to stand watching and pretend to be "understanding" something.

Whole thing goes against what I believe.

Well said... agreed.

RoundTheBend

I miss the comfort in being sad

Location: Ground Control

Mr. Shankly wrote:

Really? This is the first time, you've heard or read someone critiquing the indie creed? If that's the case, you need to read and/ or get out of the house more. Shit! I wrote an editorial for my college newspaper about this very issue back in the mid 90's. Check it out if you want:

http://dailyuw.com/news/1998/may/07/indie-cred-music-fans-or-label-fans/

I love the irony, because what he's attacking is pretentious, overly self-conscious people, and talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there are few people in rock as pretentious, self conscious, and full of themselves as Billy Corgan. You look up "douche" in the urban dictionary and there's probably a picture of Billy Corgan in there somewhere.

Nice piece. The label does not necessarily determine what the music is going to sound like. After all, we're not label fans, we are music fans.

I guess stating that that is the first time wouldn't be true- I guess what I meant was first time I have heard it said like that from an artist.

And yes Billy is a joke, but was hoping to get more discussion. People - please read this article. It's message couldn't be heard to much, and is most likely not said enough.

Yourselfisntsteam

In my experience most people who like "obscure" or "indie" music like it because of honest reasons, not as a label. I always have found that to some extent the thought that people simply don't wan't to like something popular to be a reactionary...uhhhhh...reaction by people who are angry that their view of the musical world was challenged. But I haven't met everyone, I'm sure these people do exist, i just get the feeling that its a far smaller demographic than people presume. I could be wrong.

to some extent the "you only care about obscurity" attack, even if accurate feels to me rather defensive, a shallow way of justifying not listening to "obscure" music that is no better than those "indie" people whom they very well may be accurately criticizing.

Can't we just listen without worrying about outside factors?