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When I'm introducing some of my favorite music to people, I often get the response that it sounds "dated" - which has made me wonder what that really means and why it's unappealing to many.

My thoughts are that the possibilites in music are continuingly growing and therefore some people think that the music of the past is primitive to the present because it follows certain rules that have been broken today - in terms of both instrumentation, production, structure, lyrical subjects, stylistic diversity etc. In most music you can hear that it's related to its time period as well, and people who reflect themselves in their favorite music maybe can't relate to music that sounds (and is made) before they were born.

What's your thoughts about the subject, and do you consider any music as being dated (and think it's a problem)?

Personally, thoughts about music as being "dated" never strikes me. Some of my friends think I'm silly because I've lately been interested in musiqie concrète and tape music from the 60s. "Today, everybody can do that on a computer, so there's nothing impressive about it in 2012" like. But I don't care - I'm interested in the music of what it sounds like, not because of how it was made or when it was made.
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I have never understood the concept of music being "dated"

I just wanted 2 run this thought by you.

I used 2 wear bell bottomed jeans. (loved em)

Now, if Bell bottomed jeans make a big comeback Pray

And I wear a pair of them. Are my pants "dated" ?
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Not sure why some people are trying to wind him up, and it's the same person again, but I suggest to forget the obsession with him because it is as tiring for him to read this all the time as it is for everybody else.

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All of those are factors but I think production is a huge part of it. I like a fair amount of metal and respect the originators (and have some in my charts) but when I grab something heavy to listen too it's easier to pick say Rammstein than something from the 80s or 70s because it just sounds so much harder. It crunches and pounds far more. Some of this is style related but al to is just modern tech and production techniques.

Same holds true for rap, any dance music and even mainstream pop just sounds clear and brighter. Younger people have trouble stepping back and appreciating the artistry. The hurdle is too much.
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GARY wrote:
I used 2 wear bell bottomed jeans. (loved em)

Now, if Bell bottomed jeans make a big comeback [-o<

And I wear a pair of them. Are my pants "dated" ?


That's a pretty poor analogy. In fact, that's a terrible analogy.

Anyway, if I wore bell bottomed jeans, back in the Bronze Age, when they were still popular, and I continued to wear them now, are my jeans dated? The answer is yes, they would be dated. "Dated" means old and no longer fashionable - like bell bottomed jeans. If bell bottomed jeans suddenly made a comeback, they wouldn't be dated because they'd be fasionable, so they would therefore become retro. But I digress, this isn't the place to talk fashion.

Mind Movie, considering that almost 40% of your chart is from the 1960's, then yes, some would consider your taste as being "dated". Some people, namely "hip young folk" like myself, could call it "rut-ism", or, the inability to separate oneself from a particular place or time in history, marked often by proclaiming an era's inherent superiority in one or more facets, namely music. Remember, though, that "dated" is mostly a fashion term and that when someone calls your taste in music "dated" they're really just calling you "unhip" or "not down with the times".
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Yes some music gets dated sometimes. From what you describe having to do with music concrète and tape music I suspect the issue might not be that it is dated but rather that your friends just do not like it and found an easy qualifier to dismiss it easily and irrevocably. Music concrète is always a tough sell. I have had interest myself in that type of music and have unfortunately never been able to fiund a "buddy" to share that musical interest. I hope you get more lucky than me. If you don't, I hope you won't let that prevent you from continuing in your aural experience, just maybe not with your firends unfortunately.
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I suppose you can call "dated" any piece of music that you can actually date on first listening. I don't think it makes for bad music though, although I'd probably tend to find music that you can't give age to more interesting. But then again, it's more complicated than that, because of revivals.

Before the recent twee/dream pop revival, I'd have thought the Field Mice, for instance, were dated: their style was dated, inasmuch as it was played only in short timespan (late 80's - early 90's). Now, with bands such as The Pains of Being Pure At Heart reviving the style, I think you could play The Field Mice and indie kids would think it's 2010s music. Each revival rejuvenates "dated" music.
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Jackwc wrote:
GARY wrote:
I used 2 wear bell bottomed jeans. (loved em)

Now, if Bell bottomed jeans make a big comeback Pray

And I wear a pair of them. Are my pants "dated" ?


That's a pretty poor analogy. In fact, that's a terrible analogy.

Anyway, if I wore bell bottomed jeans, back in the Bronze Age, when they were still popular, and I continued to wear them now, are my jeans dated? The answer is yes, they would be dated. "Dated" means old and no longer fashionable - like bell bottomed jeans. If bell bottomed jeans suddenly made a comeback, they wouldn't be dated because they'd be fasionable, so they would therefore become retro. But I digress, this isn't the place to talk fashion.

Mind Movie, considering that almost 40% of your chart is from the 1960's, then yes, some would consider your taste as being "dated". Some people, namely "hip young folk" like myself, could call it "rut-ism", or, the inability to separate oneself from a particular place or time in history, marked often by proclaiming an era's inherent superiority in one or more facets, namely music. Remember, though, that "dated" is mostly a fashion term and that when someone calls your taste in music "dated" they're really just calling you "unhip" or "not down with the times".



I disagree college girl Think

IMO a pair of bell bottomed pants is a friggin pair of bell bottomed pants.

It's all in ones perception. The pants are the fucking same moron. Brick wall

Get over yourself missy Laughing






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