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L Lawliet

meccalecca wrote:

Maybe my wording wasn't perfect, but I don't really think the concept of what I said changed.

As for the Beatles. Sure, they still continued to release more than a handful of love ditties but even those songs were far less direct, and containing introspection that had not been present on the earlier releases.

I'm not saying Dylan was the only songwriter with any depth in his time or anything like that. I was simply saying, placed into the context of when released, those albums seem more profound than had they been released today.

See the problem is you have gone from saying.

"nearly all other popular music being released at that time had the lyrical depth of a kiddie pool."

Which is bullshit really.

To saying that Bob Dylan made influential music.

Well obviously he did, he made music which people listened to, can't get more influential than that.
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L Lawliet wrote:

See the problem is you have gone from saying.

"nearly all other popular music being released at that time had the lyrical depth of a kiddie pool."

Which is bullshit really.

To saying that Bob Dylan made influential music.

Well obviously he did, he made music which people listened to, can't get more influential than that.

Both times I was trying to illustrate the same point. Maybe I illustrated it poorly, but everything I said was about the role of context in listening. Not really about Dylan. Dylan was just an example.

And really. in the early 60s, the majority of popular music was bubblegum. Not saying they weren't good songs, but they didn't have the same depth.

Freewheelin' Bob Dylan was released in 1963. Jimmy Gilmer and The Fireballs "Sugar Shack" was the #1 hit that year, followed by Beach Boys "Surfin' U.S.A." If you look at the hits from that year, there's nothing even remotely close to what Dylan was doing.

Dylan's rise to popularity gave radio, bands and labels room to steer away from the bubblegum formulas of the time.
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L Lawliet

meccalecca wrote:

Both times I was trying to illustrate the same point. Maybe I illustrated it poorly, but everything I said was about the role of context in listening. Not really about Dylan. Dylan was just an example.

And really. in the early 60s, the majority of popular music was bubblegum. Not saying they weren't good songs, but they didn't have the same depth.

Freewheelin' Bob Dylan was released in 1963. Jimmy Gilmer and The Fireballs "Sugar Shack" was the #1 hit that year, followed by Beach Boys "Surfin' U.S.A." If you look at the hits from that year, there's nothing even remotely close to what Dylan was doing.

Dylan's rise to popularity gave radio, bands and labels room to steer away from the bubblegum formulas of the time.

Well I don't think it is even possible to listen to something in the context of its time after that has already passed.

But I never had issue with that to begin with. Just this idea of lyrics lacking depth in the early 60's which just isn't true. And when you are using the "number one hit" as an example I think it shows you haven't actually given it a lot of thought. The supposed "depth" of number one hits isn't any greater today either is it?
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L Lawliet wrote:

Well I don't think it is even possible to listen to something in the context of its time after that has already passed.

But I never had issue with that to begin with. Just this idea of lyrics lacking depth in the early 60's which just isn't true. And when you are using the "number one hit" as an example I think it shows you haven't actually given it a lot of thought. The supposed "depth" of number one hits isn't any greater today either is it?

I'm not saying that Dylan was the only deep lyricist of his time. I understand that's a major exaggeration, but you cannot argue against there being a massive shift in lyrical songwriting that happened during the mid 60s.
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