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HigherThanTheSun

Gender: Male

Age: 34

Location: UK

There's a lot of things which can change how well I enjoy listening to music, like where I'm listening to it, who I'm listening to it with, what I'm doing at the time etc. None of this affects the quality of the music (obviously) but it does have quite an impact on how much I enjoy it. The medium through which I listen to music isn't so much of a big deal for me but I can understand it might be for some people, I don't think the idea is ridiculous. If it was then nobody would still be listening to vinyl or buying cds, yet many people still do.

One day when I'm rich I'd like to have a record player and vinyl collection and can imagine that I'd enjoy the music listening experience just slightly more for the fact that I've selected a vinyl from a physical collection and sorted out the turntable rather than just scroll through iTunes and hit play. Just a stupid sentimental thing I guess but it still exists.
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Applerill

Autistic Princess <3

Gender: Female

Age: 32

Location: Chicago

The Rocky Horror Picture Show wasn't released on video until 1998, and people loved it for 20 years before that. Same with something like Bela Tarr's Satantango, which wasn't released on DVD until 14 years after release.

Is owning something on DVD any more "pure" than seeing it in the theater? Most would say the opposite.

And with regular works of visual art, should we have to pay millions of dollars for an authentic Picasso in order to "truly experience" his artistic beauty? Of course not. If you're a mature adult, you can suck in the experience at a museum, then maybe read a bunch of books on it later.

CellarDoor

Shoe-Punk Loner

Gender: Male

Age: 40

Location: Marseille

Applerill wrote:

The Rocky Horror Picture Show wasn't released on video until 1998, and people loved it for 20 years before that. Same with something like Bela Tarr's Satantango, which wasn't released on DVD until 14 years after release.

Is owning something on DVD any more "pure" than seeing it in the theater? Most would say the opposite.

And with regular works of visual art, should we have to pay millions of dollars for an authentic Picasso in order to "truly experience" his artistic beauty? Of course not. If you're a mature adult, you can suck in the experience at a museum, then maybe read a bunch of books on it later.

You would still have to pay television license fees / cinema tickets / museum entrance tickets...

And I would also argue that seeing a movie at the theatre is a totally different experience, as is viewing the actually painting of a famous artist (I'm always surprised by the size, textures etc...).
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Applerill

Autistic Princess <3

Gender: Female

Age: 32

Location: Chicago

CellarDoor wrote:

You would still have to pay television license fees / cinema tickets / museum entrance tickets...

And I would also argue that seeing a movie at the theatre is a totally different experience, as is viewing the actually painting of a famous artist (I'm always surprised by the size, textures etc...).

Of course. But it isn't those fees that make the experience. The first time I saw Satantango was on my iPad with headphones on a road trip, and that didn't keep me from realizing it was a masterpiece.

Of course, I'm all for obtaining art by legal means (I have 300 pieces of vinyl, lots of CD's, and I even BUY MY OWN MP3's!!!!! And cassettes). Each of those mediums has it's own wonderful set of qualities, and I think everyone should check them all out.

That being said, someone who pirates music and knows all these facts isn't any "less experienced" than someone who has ELO's whole discography in every format.

Romanelli

Bone Swah

Gender: Male

Location: Broomfield, Colorado

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ppnw wrote:

And Romanelli, I didn't really 'come at' you, did I? I addressed the sentiments of at least the three previous posts, which also included Butter Thumbz and gtroda. My first post didn't quote you or mention your name in it, and was really a general address to anyone sharing those sentiments. I'm also not playing innocent. I think we would both freely say that we despise each other, as we both have previously. But this entire exchange has been me trying to wrap my head the fact you need to own a physical thing or consume music a certain way for music to be more aesthetically pleasing to you, while you call me jerk, dick, and asshole without once even trying to defend your own views. Yeah, I've got ad hominems in this exchange, but your posts are nothing but them. You're avoiding the topic entirely.

The point is simply that I made a statement that you cannot comprehend. It's okay if you don't. It doesn't have to be a big philosophical deal. I said how I feel about the subject, and you called it retarded. Your ideas and thoughts on the subject are no more or less valid than mine, and if you don't understand what I said, just live with it. You have your thing, and I have mine. And you could maybe open with something more civil than "retarded" if you really want to have a discussion about it.

You despise me? I'm sorry to hear that. I have never despised you, nor have I ever disliked you. I dislike the way you sometimes approach people here (it's so much easier to be a tough guy on the internet...I think doing that is pointless). I also dislike the way you have always talked to me. You make it really hard to be civil with you. And I think that you sometimes try for shock value a little too hard. But I do not dislike you. I don't even know you...to dislike someone with no knowledge of who they are is kind of weird to me. I dislike the way you bring up things I have said in the past whenever you're addressing me...I dislike that because that's what trolls and flamers do. Not calling you either...but that's what they do.

I'm not saying that owning the physical package makes the music better. It doesn't. I'm saying that I enjoy having the physical packaging along with the music. That's my thing. For ME, the collection itself is a serious thing. That's what works for ME. I don't expect you to understand that, and I certainly don't think that it warrants an entire wall of back and forth. I like my packaging. It's not important to you. Fine. Get over it. And understand (so you'll sleep better, I guess) that my love for any album has nothing to do with whether or not I have the packaging. But it makes it, on a seperate level, a better experience for ME. Album art. Liner notes. Lyrics. Photos. All of it.

Yes, I called you a couple of names (not like it hurts your feelings, right?). After you opened rudely. You get what you put out there. And that's what you got. Get over it.

As far as how people get their music...I do not mean to sound condescending about that. I understand that it may come across that way...I don't mean it to. I am not a fan of taking music for free, and I would not do it myself. I also understand that people have different financial situations, and I understand that it's better to get the music you love that way than to not have it at all. Please don't take what I said in a bad way. I don't always come across the way it sounds in my head. Bear with me, please.
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