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cestuneblagueOtana, but No HitoProfile Straight Outta Ballard
Yeah I think it's necessary to define what exactly can be called "pop"... and the thing is that's pretty hard to define. Usually it's associated with synth/EDM and (softer) hip hop beats because that's usually the most easily danceable and often pop is considered music to be something to be listened to in a social, party atmosphere, not for obsessive music geeks at home with their headphones. And generally it's considered to be music that has a smoother, cleaner groove, not for more experimental or grittier sounds... however that can be misleading, because plenty of bands have shown they can write really catchy songs with a rougher-sounding production, as well as with woodwind instruments. So pop really is an incredibly broad and not something you can pigeonhole as a specific sound, it's more a reference to what's essentially popular now and then. While 1989 can be considered a pop album, so can Nevermind.
And in response to the main quarry, pop (as we mostly know it) is often a singles-based genre (like Disco was in the late 70s, early 80s) so yeah a collection of pop songs that are really meant to be taken as a singular body of work are... rare. However there have been strong releases this decade that have managed to be tuneful but also work very well as an album, with a (mostly) cohesive Theme. And with a more independent-minded voice rather than furthering the corporate-branded-sound stereotype. Though some of these people don't consider "pop" (and some didn't really burn up the charts)
and there's plenty more but I too lazy right now, help me out Revolver, Keith, 🙁 Jhereko, Skinny, maybe Appelrill but take everything with a grain of salt...
Pop music is just music that has been POPular enough to appeal to the masses. A.K.A. "They sell a lot of records and appeal to a wide spectrum."
Thus, you can't really define "pop" as really a type of music. That's how you can have Nirvana appear in the same category as Barry Manilow.
When things become popular, they also quickly become "uncool" to those who like to be apart from the masses.
This is why parents are often turned off by what teens like...and why teens run away from what their parents like. Neither wants to be uncool.
Now that Facebook has caught on with the older generations, teens are abandoning it.
So, any album has the potential to be a "POP" album. That's why so many of them are not very "adventurous"...they have to be middle of the road enough for it to appeal to the AVERAGE.
An extreme change may be popular for a brief moment (again, the popularity of Nirvana)...but, it's often seen as a fad and never lasts. _________________ Speakers of the House DJ
I always assumed that pop music was anything with verse/chorus/verse structure, song lengths under 5 minutes, and (normally) some reliance on melodic "hooks". Anyone who thinks it's based on "popularity" is an idiot. It's a "form" of music just like jazz and classical.
As I've often told Alelsupreme, "modern" pop music really started with Stephen Foster in the nineteenth century, as horrible as his music may be.
EDIT: I do think it's worth mentioning, though, that the things we normally think of when we imagine "pop" today really is its own subgenre of "Top 40 Pop". I really wish this would be an RYM genre tag, because it honestly is frustrating when people say on /mu "I'm not a rockist, I love Big Star!", even though it's obvious from context that we're referring to top-4o pop (which does indeed follow its own set of musical rules, especially since the Swedes changed the game in the mid-nineties).
I always assumed that pop music was anything with verse/chorus/verse structure, song lengths under 5 minutes, and (normally) some reliance on melodic "hooks". Anyone who thinks it's based on "popularity" is an idiot.
If idiots are those who put the chicken before the egg, then the rest must possess a wisdom that escapes me.
RoundTheBendI miss the comfort in being sadProfile Ground Control
I always assumed that pop music was anything with verse/chorus/verse structure, song lengths under 5 minutes, and (normally) some reliance on melodic "hooks". Anyone who thinks it's based on "popularity" is an idiot. It's a "form" of music just like jazz and classical.
As I've often told Alelsupreme, "modern" pop music really started with Stephen Foster in the nineteenth century, as horrible as his music may be.
EDIT: I do think it's worth mentioning, though, that the things we normally think of when we imagine "pop" today really is its own subgenre of "Top 40 Pop". I really wish this would be an RYM genre tag, because it honestly is frustrating when people say on /mu "I'm not a rockist, I love Big Star!", even though it's obvious from context that we're referring to top-4o pop (which does indeed follow its own set of musical rules, especially since the Swedes changed the game in the mid-nineties).
I think there is a difference between Pop the genre and Pop Music or Popular Music, as described in these wikipedia articles...
I always assumed that pop music was anything with verse/chorus/verse structure, song lengths under 5 minutes, and (normally) some reliance on melodic "hooks". Anyone who thinks it's based on "popularity" is an idiot. It's a "form" of music just like jazz and classical.
As I've often told Alelsupreme, "modern" pop music really started with Stephen Foster in the nineteenth century, as horrible as his music may be.
EDIT: I do think it's worth mentioning, though, that the things we normally think of when we imagine "pop" today really is its own subgenre of "Top 40 Pop". I really wish this would be an RYM genre tag, because it honestly is frustrating when people say on /mu "I'm not a rockist, I love Big Star!", even though it's obvious from context that we're referring to top-4o pop (which does indeed follow its own set of musical rules, especially since the Swedes changed the game in the mid-nineties).
I think there is a difference between Pop the genre and Pop Music or Popular Music, as described in these wikipedia articles...
And therefore, no they are not idiots, they are using different definitions than you are (as I think someone already said earlier in this thread).
Dang, I never thought you'd have Wikipedia on your side 🤔 I apologize for the insult; you bring up a very good point.
Once again, this is where Keith really needs to get in here and settle this, because while I don't think there's that big a musical difference between Tin Pan Alley and Chubby Checker, maybe you really are just saying an old-fashioned version of what I said, and we don't really disagree after all. 😄
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